[Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

Luca Muscariello luca.muscariello at gmail.com
Sat Mar 23 14:31:57 EDT 2019

WebEx, WebRTC they use it.
QoS works. To answer the question in the title of Michael’s paper.

It the app runs in the cloud and the cloud has direct peering links to your
branch office or SP
most likely DSCP works.

And going back to Roland’s proposal, it seems the most natural approach
instead of hacking the semantics.

On Sat 23 Mar 2019 at 18:48, Michael Welzl <michawe at ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> Hi,
> I’ll do what academics do and add our own data point, below:
> On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Roland Bless <roland.bless at kit.edu> wrote:
> Hi Mikael,
> On 23.03.19 at 11:02 Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Roland Bless wrote:
> I suggest to use an additional DSCP to mark L4S packets.
> DSCP doesn't work end-to-end on the Internet, so what you're suggesting
> isn't a workable solution.
> It's true that DSCPs may be remarked, but RFC 2474
> already stated
>   Packets received with an unrecognized codepoint SHOULD be forwarded
>   as if they were marked for the Default behavior (see Sec. 4), and
>   their codepoints should not be changed.
> The rtcweb WG also counts on e2e DSCPs.
> After the LE PHB experience I would suggest to probably use
> DSCP 5 which has got better chances to survive ToS bleaching (maybe
> around 80%), if I understand
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140366417312835
> correctly. Diffserv behavior is usually configurable and can be changed
> without replacing the network gear.
> Runa Barik, Michael Welzl, Ahmed Mustafa Elmokashfi, Thomas Dreibholz,
> Stein Gjessing: "Can WebRTC QoS Work? A DSCP Measurement Study", 30th
> International Teletraffic Congress (ITC 30), 3 - 7 September 2018, Vienna,
> Austria.
> https://itc-conference.org/_Resources/Persistent/780df4482d0fe80f6180f523ebb9482c6869e98b/Barik18ITC30.pdf
> We didn’t measure undefined codepoints though, only EF, AF42 and CS1.
> Table 2 compares bleaching for these codepoints with the results in the
> paper you point to; it’s quite similar.
> Well yes, there’s a significant amount of bleaching, we can’t deny that.
> But sometimes the codepoint survives, and it seems to survive surprisingly
> long into the path (fig.4 in our paper).
> In the MAPRG session in Prague, Runa Barik will give a talk about the
> measured delay impact of such opportunistic use of these DSCP values by an
> end system.
> Cheers,
> Michael
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