[Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] tp-link request for SQM

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi Luca

> On Dec 3, 2021, at 15:58, Luca Muscariello <muscariello at ieee.org> wrote:
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> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0 at gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> 
> > On Dec 3, 2021, at 15:18, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:00 AM Luca Muscariello <muscariello at ieee.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Test using a tp-link AP EAP 245
> >> 
> >> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=bbcc5ef5-e677-4f27-aa04-1849db81d0f5
> > 
> > Nice.
> > 
> > A kvetch is that I really wish they also tested up and down at the same time.
> > 
> > Another kvetch is I think the test needs to run longer at these speeds.
> > 
> > Another another kvetch is they factor in baseline latency to determine
> > if the link is suitable for gaming or not.
> 
>         Which is the sane thing to do... IMHO. For any "twitch"-type reation-time gated gaming all players need to be in an acceptable range of "RTTs" to and from the server so that all perceive the world similarly and nobody has an unfair advantage/disadvantage, so absolute RTT does seem to matter. I would agree that jitter is nastier in that is will cause "randomish" variations of the RTT, but then the known solution against jitter is additional buffering (large enough to simply even out the unequal jittered packet arrival times) which in turn just increases the "RTT", no? (I guess no game really does this enough, so jitter stays the constant problem for internet game-play).
> >
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> Mobile multiplayer competitive games, like PvP, 5v5 such as CoDM, Critical Ops, LoL Wild Rift may have very different ways to face/conceal network conditions based on the experience the studio wants to offer to the gamer.

	Care to elaborate, please? As far as I can tell what I describe above is pretty universal iff fair "coordination" between different player's actions is required. How do you conceal issues about causal ordering of events that ideally are identical from all perspectives? 

Regards
	Sebastian


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> > We had them participating on this list at some point....
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> >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> tp-link, is, so far as I know, the last major home router vendor NOT
> >>> shipping a SQM system. Perhaps this could be modded up with someones
> >>> with accounts?
> >>> 
> >>> https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/forum/topic/511156
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