[Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

Frantisek Borsik frantisek.borsik at gmail.com
Tue Mar 21 14:51:04 EDT 2023

I do believe that we all want to get the best - latency and speed,
hopefully, in this particular order :-)
The problem was that from the very beginning of the Internet (yeah, I was
still not here, on this planet, when it all started), everything was
optimised for speed, bandwidth and other numbers, but not so much for
bufferbloat in general.
Some of the things that goes into it in the need for speed, are directly
against the fixing latency...and it was not setup for it. Gamers and Covid
(work from home, the need for the enterprise network but in homes...)
brings it into conversation, thankfully, and now we will deal with it.

Also, there is another thing I see and it's *a negative sentiment against
anything business* (monetisation of, say - lower latency solutions) in
general. If it comes from the general geeky/open source/etc folks, I can
understand it a bit. But it comes also from the business people - assuming
some of You works in big corporations or run ISPs. I'm all against
cronyism, but to throw out the baby with the bathwater - to say that doing
business (i.e. getting paid for delivering something that is missing/fixing
something that is implementing insufficiently) is wrong, to look at it with
disdain, is asinine.

This has the connection with the general "Net Neutrality" (NN) sentiment. I
have 2 suggestions for reading from the other side of the aisle, on this
topic: https://www.martingeddes.com/1261-2
<https://www.martingeddes.com/1261-2>/ (Martin was censored by all major
social media back then, during the days of NN fight in the FCC and
elsewhere.) Second thing is written by one and only Dave Taht:

*To conclude, we need to find the way how to benchmark and/or communicate
(translate, if You will) the whole variety of the quality of network
statistics/metrics (which are complex) *like QoE, QoS, latency, jitter,
bufferbloat...to something, that is meaningful for the end user. See this
short proposition of the* Quality of Outcome* by Domos:
There is definitely a lot of work on this - and also on the finding the
right benchmark and its actual measurement side, but it's a step in the
right direction.

*Looking forward to seeing Your take on that proposed Quality of Outcome.
Thanks a lot.*

All the best,


Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


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On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 7:08 PM rjmcmahon via Rpm <rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net>

> Also, I want my network to be the color clear because I value
> transparency, honesty, and clarity.
> https://carbuzz.com/news/car-colors-are-more-important-to-buyers-than-you-think
> "There are many factors to consider when buying a new car, from price
> and comfort to safety equipment. For many people, color is another
> important factor since it reflects their personality."
> "In a study by Automotive Color Preferences 2021 Consumer Survey, 4,000
> people aged 25 to 60 in four of the largest car markets in the world
> (China, Germany, Mexico and the US) were asked about their car color
> preferences. Out of these, 88 percent said that color is a key deciding
> factor when buying a car."
> Bob
> > I think we may all be still stuck on numbers. Since infinity is taken,
> > the new marketing number is "infinity & beyond" per Buzz Lightyear
> >
> > Here's what I want, I'm sure others have ideas too:
> >
> > o) We all deserve COPPA. Get the advertiser & their cohorts to stop
> > mining my data & communications - limit or prohibit access to my
> > information by those who continue to violate privacy rights
> > o) An unlimited storage offering with the lowest possible latency paid
> > for annually. That equipment ends up as close as possible to my main
> > home per speed of light limits.
> > o) Security of my network including 24x7x365 monitoring for breaches
> > and for performance
> >  o) Access to any cloud software app. Google & Apple are getting
> > something like 30% for every app on a phone. Seems like a last-mile
> > provider should get a revenue share for hosting apps that aren't being
> > downloaded. Blockbuster did this for DVDs before streaming took over.
> > Revenue shares done properly, while imperfect, can work.
> > o) A life-support capable, future proof, componentized, leash-free,
> > in-home network that is dual-homed over the last mile for redundancy
> > o) Per room FiWi and sensors that can be replaced and upgraded by me
> > ordering and swapping the parts without an ISP getting all my
> > neighbors' consensus & buy in
> > o) VPN capabilities & offerings to the content rights owners'
> > intellectual property for when the peering agreements fall apart
> > o) Video conferencing that works 24x7x365 on all devices
> > o) A single & robust shut-off circuit
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > PS. I think the sweet spot may turn out to be 100Gb/s when considering
> > climate impact. Type 2 emissions are a big deal so we need to deliver
> > the fastest causality possible (incl. no queueing) at the lowest
> > energy consumption engineers can achieve.
> >
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