[Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model

tom at evslin.com tom at evslin.com
Wed Mar 29 15:02:30 EDT 2023

What's missing in this math is how much cheaper (and better) the
installation is if you displace or hang from the existing copper usually in
great position below the electricity and almost no makeready in this case.
Problem is getting rid of the almost but not quite unused copper plus
ownership problems. I was on an FCC TAC which tried to plan for this 14
years ago but came to nothing.


Also could be burying fiber and electric with road repaving which is way
over-funded to increase reliability and decrease ongoing maintenance costs.


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Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model


On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink
<starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> >


The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the
area) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies
doing it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth their


Yes, this stuff is expensive, Here is reasonably current order-of-magnitude
cost breakdown for a rural NH town nearby:


1) $55,000 per road-mile to design the system, get licenses to install on
the utility poles, "make ready" (to check that the poles are ready for new
facilities) and to hang the fiber on the pole. Installing coax would save
$5K to $8K per mile.


2) $2,000 to $4,000 per premise to install the drop from the utility pole to
the building, bring the fiber into the building and install the router. 


3) Pole rental (in NH) is about $10/pole/year. Divide miles of road by 200
feet between poles to get an estimate of the number of poles.


So density of customers is critical for the business case. That's why there
are so many monopoly providers - it's costly to overbuild an already served


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