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On 08/10/15 04:20 PM, David Collier-Brown wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Anyone who's an American citizen want
to write a short to-the-point response suggesting that this was
vendor error, caused by not using the database that linux uses
for wi-fi cards?<br>
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I want them to have a public "out" from the current scheme of
telling the vendors to protect their code. <br>
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I prefer to give the FCC the option of telling the vendors to
stop messing up their code, like a regulatory agency would like
to be seen doing (;-))<br>
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About one page!<br>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt;"><span style="font-size:18.666666666666664px;font-family:Arial;color:#434343;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Summary</span></h3>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">There is a significant likelihood that the problem addressed by this rulemaking may have been caused by a wi-fi vendor failing to realize that they needed to set the location to the United States when adapting laptop and personal-computer software to work on a smaller, less capable single-board computer for use as a home router.
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">If so, and in any case, the FCC should require the vendor to certify that they have set their system to the correct table of standards-conformance parameters for operation in the United States, require a basic test of that operation, and penalize vendors who have not taken those basic measures.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt;"><span style="font-size:18.666666666666664px;font-family:Arial;color:#434343;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Introduction</span></h3>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">The academic, open source and IETF communities have been concerned about the above rulemaking, especially </span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">with the mention of a specific open source Linux router, DD-WRT</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">In a wide-ranging discussion, one plausible cause of error was raised, that of complaints from airports and other entities whose radar is being interfered with by 5GHz WiFi. </span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt;"><span style="font-size:18.666666666666664px;font-family:Arial;color:#434343;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Vendor Error</span></h3>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Numerous possible cases have been raised, and one of the technical features of Linux- and BSD-based routers has a high probability of causing just such a problem. While it may or may not be the current problem, it is likely enough that the FCC would be well-advised to nip it in the bud.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">The technical problem is that the software used for small home routers was developed for use on personal computers and laptops, to operate wi-fi cards plugged into a fairly powerful machine. The software assumes that the machine has been told what country or legal regime and time zone it is in, and uses that to select a set of compliant parameters the correct ones for wi-fi operation in a given country.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">The home routers, on the other hand, are very low-cost devices, and there is no reason for the owner to set a country or timezone, and in most cases, there is no means by which these can be set. Whatever the default is in the country of manufacture, that is the value that is most likely to be set.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">If the country is not the United States, the compliance rules are sure to be wrong.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">The same applies to any replacement software loaded onto the machine. If the DD-WRT software were from Canada, for example, the compliance parameters will be those of Canada, and therefor will probably break the compliance rules of the United States.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">We therefore urge the FCC to make it a requirement that the vendor of any routers sold in the United States certify in writing that they have selected the correct compliance rules, if the system supports more than a single American rule-set.</span></p>
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David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify
System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davecb@spamcop.net">davecb@spamcop.net</a> | -- Mark Twain
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