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That's the simplest measure of bufferbloat though :).<br>
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Do you have a criticism in terms of dslreports.com? I think it's
fairly transparent, showing idle v.s. download v.s. upload. The
headline figures are an average, and you can look at all the data
points. (You can increase the measurement frequency if you're
specifically interested in that).<br>
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[random selection from Google]<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/419540">http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/419540</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=15620.0">http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=15620.0</a><br>
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It's more aggressive than a single file download, but that's not
deliberately to exacerbate bufferbloat. It's just designed to
measure performance of prolonged downloads / streaming, in a
competitively short test. "For our busy lives", as the overused
saying goes.<br>
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(The initial summary only gives a grade. The figure wouldn't be one
of the headlines their ISP advertises. Saying "100ms" would confuse
people. And the tests they're used to / compare with, show idle
latency instead.)<br>
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On 27/08/16 16:19, Kathleen Nichols wrote:<br>
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Yeah.
I admit to muddying the waters because I think of the size of a buffer as
being in megabytes and the size of a queue (latency) as being in
milliseconds. I think the tests attempt to measure the worst possible
latency/queue that can occur on a path.
On 8/27/16 4:46 AM, Rich Brown wrote:
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<pre wrap="">It has always been my intent to define bufferbloat as *latency*. The
first sentence on <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bufferbloat.net">www.bufferbloat.net</a> says, "Bufferbloat is the
undesirable latency that comes from a router or other network
equipment buffering too much data."
That definition focuses on observable/measurable values. It sidesteps
objections I've seen on the forums, "How could $TEST measure the size
of buffers?"
So what matters is whether the buffers (of any size) are filling up.
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