<div dir="ltr">Looking at chipsets coming/just arrived from the chipset vendors, I think we will see CPE with 10G SFP+ and 802.11ax Q3/Q4 this year.<div>Price is of course a bit steeper than the 15USD USB DSL modem :P, but probably fits nicely for the SMB segment.</div><div><br></div><div>Pedro</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joel@aenertia.net" target="_blank">joel@aenertia.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Bingo; that's definitely step one - gateways capable of 10gbit<br>
becoming the norm.<br>
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On 4 December 2017 at 23:43, Pedro Tumusok <<a href="mailto:pedro.tumusok@gmail.com">pedro.tumusok@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> For in home or even SMB, I doubt that 10G to the user PC is the main use<br>
> case.<br>
> Its having the uplink capable of support of more than1G, that 1G does not<br>
> necessarily need to be generated by only one host on the LAN.<br>
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> Pedro<br>
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> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <<a href="mailto:joel@aenertia.net">joel@aenertia.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> How to deliver a switch, when the wiring and port standard isn't<br>
>> actually workable?<br>
>><br>
>> 10GBase-T is out of Voltage Spec with SFP+ ; you can get copper SFP+<br>
>> but they are out of spec... 10GbaseT doesn't really work over Cat5e<br>
>> more than a couple of meters (if you are lucky) and even Cat6 is only<br>
>> rated at 30M... there is a reason no-one is producing Home Copper<br>
>> switches and it's not just the NIC Silicon cost (that was a factor<br>
>> until Recently obviously, but only part of the equation).<br>
>><br>
>> On the flip side:<br>
>> Right now I am typing this via a 40gbit network, comprised of the<br>
>> cheap and readily available Tb3 port - it's daisy chained and limited<br>
>> to 6 ports, but right now it's easily the cheapest and most effective<br>
>> port. Pitty that the fabled optical tb3 cables are damn expensive...<br>
>> so you're limited to daisy-chains of 2m. They seem to have screwed the<br>
>> pooch on the USB-C network standard quite badly - which looked so<br>
>> promising, so for the moment Tb3 it is for me at least.<br>
>><br>
>> On 4 December 2017 at 23:18, Mikael Abrahamsson <<a href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But I<br>
>> >> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A<br>
>> >> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase<br>
>> >> distribution circuit.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near<br>
>> > 5-10<br>
>> > years.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what the<br>
>> >> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable<br>
>> >> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial<br>
>> >> access networks.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter.<br>
>> > Sounds to<br>
>> > me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the<br>
>> > 2-3<br>
>> > gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I typically<br>
>> > see<br>
>> > on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual<br>
>> > subscriptions<br>
>> > are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the entire solution<br>
>> > can<br>
>> > deliver).<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post<br>
>> >> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT point<br>
>> >> in<br>
>> >> the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can<br>
>> >> deliver<br>
>> >> Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, and<br>
>> >> right now<br>
>> >> there isn't a good technology platform that supports it;<br>
>> >> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT<br>
>> >> is a non-starter due to the variability in home wiring - arguably the 7<br>
>> >> year<br>
>> >> leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a gap of 12 years and<br>
>> >> counting for<br>
>> >> the same.. it's not just the NIC's and CPU's in the gateways it's the<br>
>> >> connector and in-home wiring problems as well.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything<br>
>> > involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide<br>
>> > use<br>
>> > in home/SME in the next 5 years.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Blatant Plug - request :<br>
>> >> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very<br>
>> >> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home'<br>
>> >> <a href="https://linux.conf.au/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://linux.conf.au/</a> at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you<br>
>> >> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be<br>
>> >> happy for me to include in my talk, please include.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE<br>
>> > 24port<br>
>> > managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price jumps<br>
>> > up<br>
>> > a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even though<br>
>> > they're<br>
>> > not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, but I guess<br>
>> > I'm an<br>
>> > outlier.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Mikael Abrahamsson email: <a href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">swmike@swm.pp.se</a><br>
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