<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:54 AM, <a href="mailto:bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net" class="">bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Jitter and bloat aren't intuitive and need a lot more thinking and patience<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to understand. Perhaps we need a good animated cartoon to explain it.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I recently riffed off the Waveform bufferbloat test (<a href="https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#question-0" class="">https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#question-0</a>) that includes, "Can you explain bufferbloat like I'm five?"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My blog posting (complete with a SmartSink(tm)) is at: <a href="https://randomneuronsfiring.com/best-bufferbloat-analogy-ever/" class="">https://randomneuronsfiring.com/best-bufferbloat-analogy-ever/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe that's a start toward an animation...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rich</div></body></html>