<html><head></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">Sure, this isn't about peering. It's about treating last mile infrastructure as critical infrastructure and paying those who work on it, construct it, maintain it, manage it, to meet high standards like we try to do for hospitals and water supplies. <br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On Mar 25, 2023, at 5:28 PM, David Lang <<a href="mailto:david@lang.hm" target="_blank">david@lang.hm</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="blue">No, the primary cost (other than laying the fiber) is in the electronics to <br>route the packets around once they leave the optics, and the upstream bandwith <br>and peering to other ISPs.<br><br>laying the fiber is expensive, optics are trivially cheap in comparison, but <br>while the theoretical bandwidth of the fiber is huge, that's only for the one <br>hop, once you get past that hop and have to deal with the aggregate bandwidth of <br>multiple endpoints, something has to give.<br><br>David Lang<br><br>On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> The primary cost is the optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay go<br><br> Bob<br><br> On Mar 25, 2023, 4:35 PM, at 4:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> The fiber has basically infinite capacity.<br></blockquote><br> in theory, but once you start aggregating it and having to pay for<br> equipment<br> that can handle the rates, your 'infinite capaicty' starts to run out<br> really<br> fast.<br><br> David Lang<br><br><hr><br><br><hr><br> Bloat mailing list<br> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net<br> <a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat</a><br></blockquote><br></blockquote></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>