cs4? cs4 and cs5 end up (typically) in the (oft buggy) linux vi queue on wifi. ef? do any of the gamers here observe any codepoints in use? When I surveyed this a few years ago, I saw very little usage, and what little there was was all over the map. (me I care only about cs1) -- Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619