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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But the TCP timestamps are impacted by packet loss. You will sometimes get an accurate RTT reading, and you will sometimes get multiples of the RTT due to packet
loss and retransmissions. I would hate to see a line classified as bloated when the real problem is simple packet loss. Head of line blocking, cumulative acks, yada, yada, yada.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You really need to use a packet oriented protocol (ICMP/UDP) to get a true measure of RTT at the application layer. If you can instrument TCP in the kernel
to make instantaneous RTT available to the application, that might work. I am not sure how you would roll that out in a timely manner, though. I think I actually wrote some code to do this on BSD many years ago, and it gave pretty good results. I was building
a terminal server (remember those?) and needed to have ~50ms +- 20ms echo times.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bvs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net [mailto:bloat-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eggert, Lars<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2015 4:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aaron Wood<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cake@lists.bufferbloat.net; Klatsky, Carl; cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net; bloat<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs cablemodems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2015-5-15, at 06:44, Aaron Wood <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com">woody77@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Menlo-Regular","serif"">ICMP prioritization over TCP?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Probably.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ping in parallel to TCP is a hacky way to measure latencies; not only because of prioritization, but also because you don't measure TCP send/receive buffer latencies (and they can be large, auto-tuning is not so great.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You really need to embed timestamps in the TCP bytestream and echo them back. See the recent netperf patch I sent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lars<o:p></o:p></p>
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