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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/05/15 16:09, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dpreed@reed.com">dpreed@reed.com</a>
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          font-size: 10pt; word-wrap: break-word;">I'm curious as to why
          one would need low priority class if you were using fq_codel?
           Are the LEDBAT flows indistinguishable?  Is there no
          congestion signalling (no drops, no ECN)? The main reason I
          ask is that end-to-end flows should share capacity well enough
          without magical and rarely implemented things like diffserv
          and intserv.</p>
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          On Monday, May 18, 2015 8:30am, "Simon Barber"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon@superduper.net"><simon@superduper.net></a> said:<br>
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              <p style="margin:0;padding:0;margin: 0 0 1em 0; color:
                black;">I am likely out of date about Windows Update,
                but there's many other programs that do background
                downloads or uploads that don't implement LEDBAT or
                similar protection. The current AQM recommendation draft
                in the IETF will make things worse, by not drawing
                attention to the fact that implementing AQM without
                implementing a low priority traffic class (such as DSCP
                8 - CS1) will prevent solutions like LEDBAT from
                working, or there being any alternative. Would
                appreciate support on the AQM list in the importance of
                this.</p>
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                May 18, 2015 4:42:43 AM "Eggert, Lars"
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lars@netapp.com"><lars@netapp.com></a> wrote:</p>
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                0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left:
                0.75ex;">On 2015-5-18, at 07:06, Simon Barber <<a
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                        background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display:
                        inline !important;">Windows update will kill
                        your Skype call.</span></div>
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                <div class="">Really? AFAIK Windows Update has been
                  using a LEDBAT-like scavenger-type congestion control
                  algorithm for years now.</div>
                <div class="">Lars</div>
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