<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Dear All,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">I’ve realised that I have been responding to Kevin rather than to the mailing list - my bad!</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">I think I will purchase a Linksys WRT1900ACS as it seems to be fairly well regarded and is easily accessible in the UK.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">How do I go about setting up Cake on it?</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1461450118402578944" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Alec Robertson<br></div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">On 23 April 2016 at 9:00:52 pm, Alec Robertson (<a href="mailto:alecrobertson13@gmail.com">alecrobertson13@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div></div><div>
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Dear Kevin,</div>
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I did look at the Linksys WRT1200AC but it seems to get some rather
poor reviews on Amazon?</div>
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<p class="airmail_on">On 23 April 2016 at 8:58:02 pm, Kevin
Darbyshire-Bryant (<a href="mailto:kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk">kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk</a>)
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span>On 23/04/2016 20:42, Alec
Robertson wrote:<br></span></div>
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<span>Dear Kevin,</span></div>
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<span>That’s very useful thanks.</span></div>
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<span>You say the TP-LINK Archer C7 should <i>just</i> be okay.
What could I get that I know will last me for a long time? What’s
got good WiFi range too?</span></div>
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<span>The honest answer is I've absolutely no idea and I'm in that
dilemma myself. There's a remake of the linksys WRT range
(WRT1200????) that apparently is very powerful, I guess the issue
is how far along OpenWrt is. I might have the wrong end of
hte stick but I think Dave Taht may have something working.<br>
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Apologies, I'm not really a mine of information.<br>
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<span>I’m using powerline at the moment but fed up with it
disconnecting. I think it is probably the TP-LINK adaptors I am
using (known issue apparently) but wiring up the house is
unpractical at the moment. I don’t think there is a better solution
really.</span></div>
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<p class="airmail_on"><span>On 23 April 2016 at 8:00:00 pm, Kevin
Darbyshire-Bryant (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk">kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk</a>)
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<div><span><span>Hi Alec,<br>
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I'm not familiar with TalkTalk but they sound like they do
similar<br>
things to Sky - Sky just need a 'login ID' as part of the DHCP
request<br>
packet (which funnily enough are the PPPoA/E login details)<br>
<br>
In terms of speed sacrifice, erm, none really. I've set 40mpbs
incoming<br>
and 9990kbps for outgoing on a 40000/9999 link as reported by
the<br>
modem. Probably critically I've set the packet overheads to 12, and
I<br>
now can't remember why... there's an on-wire vlan tag (4 bytes) but
the<br>
reason for the other 8 have fallen out of the brain cell.<br>
<br>
I've a semi-regular backup job overnight that on a bad day overruns
into<br>
the day - a week or so ago it ran for something like 2 days and I
had<br>
absolutely no idea - thinkbroadband's ping monitor was
registering<br>
something like an extra 5mS latency over the baseline, peaks
were<br>
something like 25mS - backup stats and openwrt's stats package
were<br>
registering the full 10mbps uplink in use during that time.<br>
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Does that help?<br>
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Kevin<br>
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On 23/04/16 19:40, Alec Robertson wrote:<br>
> Dear Kevin,<br>
><br>
> I am on TalkTalk which uses IPoE, so no PPPoE use at all, as
far as I<br>
> know. I certainly haven’t ever configured login details.<br>
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> How much speed do you have to sacrifice on your connection
to<br>
> eliminate bufferbloat?<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Alec Robertson<br>
><br>
> On 23 April 2016 at 10:46:35 am, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant<br>
> (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk">kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk"><mailto:kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk></a>)<br>
> wrote:<br>
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>> Hi Alec,<br>
>><br>
>> A brief appearance from me whilst I have a spare few
seconds.<br>
>><br>
>> Not stupid!<br>
>><br>
>> There’s an obvious question: Why are Billion still
shipping buffer<br>
>> bloated devices? Have they been sent graphs/demos/logs of
how their<br>
>> kit is faulty?<br>
>><br>
>> To offer some hopefully constructive pointers: For FTTC
service I’m<br>
>> guessing you’ll be using the Billion as a vdsl modem.
Who’s the ISP?<br>
>> AFAIK anyone other than Sky will need to run PPPoE and
hence hit the<br>
>> 1492 MTU restriction *unless* the Billion supports mini
jumbo frames<br>
>> on the ethernet side and the PPPoE MTU extension (the rfc
number<br>
>> escapes the brain at the moment) Sky don’t use PPP and
just run<br>
>> ethernet frames over PTM…..the way it should be. The
incoming<br>
>> packets from ISP to you are policed at something close to
sync rate,<br>
>> this is part of the BT specification. The uplink of course
can be as<br>
>> bloated as hell ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> I use an Archer C7 with BT’s equally horrendously bloated
HG612 vdsl<br>
>> modem on a 40/10 link with sky as my isp. In terms of CPU
usage it’s<br>
>> about 1% per megabit so a full 40/10 uses around 55% cpu,
I think<br>
>> there’s enough for your 60/20…just.<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://middling.me.uk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs/">
https://middling.me.uk/blog/2015/03/customising-openwrt-to-my-needs/</a><br>
>> offers further advice which I found useful.<br>
>><br>
>> Kevin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On 22 Apr 2016, at 23:01, Alec Robertson <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alecrobertson13@gmail.com">alecrobertson13@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alecrobertson13@gmail.com"><mailto:alecrobertson13@gmail.com></a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I’ve been out of the bufferbloat game for a while and
want to try<br>
>>> and beat it once again.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I’ve got an FTTC connection (UK) which I get around
60Mbps on but<br>
>>> with horrible bufferbloat on my Billion 8800NL. What
router should I<br>
>>> get that can run OpenWRT and handle this connection?
Do the newest<br>
>>> builds of OpenWRT have cake built-in now via
sqm-scripts or would I<br>
>>> need to install this manually. If so, how would I do
this?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Would appreciate any help and apologies if I come off
in any way stupid.<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Alec Robertson<br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> Cake mailing list<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net">Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net"><mailto:Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net></a><br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake</a><br>
>><br>
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