<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 28, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" class="">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Exactly. Many members, including myself, are limited by our CPE links during off hours, and by the backhaul during high traffic hours.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">3 items<br class=""><br class="">1) Co-locating some essential services (like netflix) might be of help.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>That’s a good idea, will bring that up with the admins.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Netflix is here now, but many folks seem to use “O2 TV Air”, which is a way to watch ordinary cable packages over any Internet connection (not just from O2). SD streams are 3Mbit and HD 6Mbit. Weirdly, they don’t pace out their data but there’s a characteristic “pulsing” of the streams every 5 seconds that when I see it on the router's throughput graph I know, yep, that’s O2 TV. I’ll find out if their on-demand stuff has such a co-location option.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><a href="https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/" class="">https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/</a><br class=""><br class="">2) If the members voted for more backhaul, the costs are understandable…</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Backhaul upgrades are coming into focus gradually, and upgrading those ALIX boxes which are tanks but...tanks.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I think some of the higher costs come from physical installations / placement rights. Surprising what towers can cost.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">3) Philosophically I vastly prefer the concept of "everyone sharing<br class="">the network", rather than rate plans, to create some market tension as<br class="">to the available bandwidth at any given time of day.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Agree wholeheartedly. Rate limiting members isn’t necessary for a non-profit (no profit motive) and especially if we can get fairness right, there’s no technical reason to do it that I know of either.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">ubnt did add at least airtime fairness to airos a year or two back. It<br class="">was not on by default. Their "TDMA" qos system was this insane mess of<br class="">sfq rules when I tore it apart.... 8 years back.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I don’t know what they’re doing in their newer AC stuff, but I'm surprised by what appears to be ~6-8ms latency under load on the NanoStation 5 AC Loco’s I got for the camp’s backhaul. Is it really that good? This is in contrast to the 50+ms I see with rrul_be on the NanoStation M5 (without controlling the queue). This test is straight AP to AP though, with probably 1 flow up and 1 down plus ping, so I want to get 2-4 more of these and do rrul_be through the Ethernet ports, to get more flows and UDP, and see how it looks then.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="96F2B83A-72EE-4E7E-BCDE-D731C6594917" src="cid:CB49F23E-09DA-4B1B-855B-158F96CA21C0@luk.heistp.net" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>