[Cerowrt-devel] not exactly the most positive outcome

Dave Taht dave.taht at gmail.com
Thu Jul 28 06:28:21 EDT 2016

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike at swm.pp.se> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, dpreed at reed.com wrote:
>> People just take for granted that having their communications controlled
>> "end-to-end" by some third party (e.g. The Phone Company) is optimal for
>> them.  After all, AT&T Bell Labs created the Internet and the WWW.
> "people" (the general term) just want their Internet access to work. They
> don't want to learn how to set it up themselves, they don't want to muck
> around in boxes, and they want it to be cheap, fast and rock solid, all the
> time. They want to set it up once and work great and don't want to have to
> think about it again.
> They also call the ISP and complain that the ISP service is bad when they
> stuck the ISP wifi enabled residential gateway in the back of some lower
> corner cabinet behind all the stuff, and hoped they never would have to see
> or interact with it again.
> With speed increasing, 5GHz, potentially 60GHz etc, in order to deliver a
> decent service to their customers, ISPs have to get involved in their
> customers' residential wifi networks to retain and hopefully increase
> customer satisfaction.

I note that this is generally a job that has also fallen to 3rd party
consultants and installers, as well as the more geeky family members.
(thankfully, my younger brother took over running my mom's network).

I am all in favor of better, voluntary tools, for people to have,
mortally opposed to an isp having data about my in-home connection
that I have not agreed to share and/or don't have myself.

> So with that out of the way, how do we still make this as open and flexible
> as possible? Lots of startups and established vendors are pitching these
> solutions to the ISPs, most of them with their own proprietary extensions
> and non-interworking protocols. What's the open and flexible alternative?

One - make it mandatory that an ISP is not allowed to lock in their
stuff inside the home demarc, but to allow competition here.

Germany just did that.


two - make the laws for data privacy and penalties for violating it
strict enough to make a company or government to clearly hand off to
the owner of the equipment.

technologically, I'd like for sufficient standards to emerge so that a
competetive market in "cpe" can continue to exist, innovate, and so
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Dave Täht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!

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