[Cerowrt-devel] dnsmasq CVEs
swmike at swm.pp.se
Mon Oct 9 04:32:26 EDT 2017
On Sat, 7 Oct 2017, valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> Know how x86 people complain that SSM mode introduces jitter? That's
> just the tip of the iceberg. Believe it or not, there's an entire
> IPv4/IPv6 stack *and a webserver* hiding in there...
> Gaak. Have some strong adult beverage handy, you'll be needing it....
Also see the wifi processor remote exploit that Apple devices (and others
I presume) had problems with.
Mobile baseband processors behave in the same way, and also have their own
stack. I have talked to mobile developers who discovered all of a sudden
the baseband would just silently "steal" a bunch of UDP ports from the
host OS and just grab these packets. At least with IPv6, the baseband can
have its own IPv6 address, separated from the host stack IPv6 addreses.
Just to illustrate (incompletely) what might be going on when you're
tethering through a mobile phone.
Packet comes in on the 4G interface. It now hits the baseband processor
(that runs code), which might send the packet to either the host OS, or
via an packet accelerator path (which the host OS might or not have a
control plane into), and this accelerator runs code, and then it hits the
wifi chip, which also runs code.
So while the host OS programmer might see their host OS doing something,
in real life the packet potentially hits at least three other things that
run code using their own firmware. Also, these components are manufactured
in factories, how do we verify that these actually do what they were
intended to do, and not modified between design and production? How do we
know the firmware we load is actually loaded and it's not intercepted and
real time patched before execution? Oh, also, the OS is loaded from
permanent storage, that is also running code. There are several talks
about people modifying the storage controller (which also runs code of
coutse) to return different things depending on usage pattern. So it's not
safe for the OS to read data, check that it passes integrity checks, and
then read it again, and execute. The storage might return different things
the second time.
I don't know that we as humanity know how to do this securely. I've
discussed this with vendors in different sectors, and there's a lot of
people who aren't even aware of the problem.
I'd say the typical smartphone today probably has 10 things or more
running code/firmware, all susceptable to bugs, all of them risked of even
with exposed security problems, they're never going to be patched.
So the IoT problem isn't only for "smart meters" etc, it's for everything.
We've created devices that are impossible to verify without destroying
them (sanding down ICs and looking at billions of gates), and in order to
verify them, you need equipment and skills that are not available to most
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike at swm.pp.se
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