From frantisek.borsik at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 06:58:19 2025 From: frantisek.borsik at gmail.com (Frantisek Borsik) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 12:58:19 +0200 Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] =?utf-8?b?W1N0YXJsaW5rXSBbQ2FrZV0gW0Jsb2F0XSBJ?= =?utf-8?q?n_loving_memory_of_Dave_T=C3=A4ht_=3C3?= In-Reply-To: References: <014po62q-r99p-71np-52r1-n84n9np63nqr@ynat.uz> <87plhvlyoc.fsf@toke.dk> <976DC4FC-44CA-4C7E-90E0-DE39B57F01E1@comcast.com> <8DA2934A-43D1-4700-8F32-CA424C3FAE8D@comcast.com> <1743623511.52759201@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: Well, I hope we should have Dave's nomination for Jonathan B. Postel Service Award ready, soon. For starters, at least. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik at gmail.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 12:50 PM Michiel Leenaars via Starlink < starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Hi David, > > >2) I was thinking about how we could get Dave recognized for his > contributions. Like other unsung heroes, Dave didn't work for BBN or some > other moneyed entity who would commission a book or a memorial. (BBN paid > Katie Hafner to write the text that later turned into her book "When > Wizards Stay Up Late", which oddly only talked about the ARPANET/Internet > pioneers who worked for BBN, omitting many of my Internet colleagues.) > Dave wasn't the kind of guy that gets Awards from the Computer History > Museum or the ACM or IEEE. He wasn't beloved at IETF or ISOC that I know > of. He's in the category of folks like Noel Chiappa or Bram Cohen or > Richard Stallman or Aaron Swartz - people I think really changed the way we > think about computing and internetworking, but who won't be in the official > histories. > > We just missed the deadline for the Internet Hall of Fame by a few days: > > > https://www.internethalloffame.org/2025/01/20/the-internet-hall-of-fame-2025-nominations-are-now-open/ > > (which features Richard Stallman and Aaron Schwartz already, to be fair) > > But perhaps someone has nominated him already. > > Best, > Michiel > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dickroy at alum.mit.edu Fri Jun 6 08:58:11 2025 From: dickroy at alum.mit.edu (Richard Roy) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 12:58:11 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IFtFWFRFUk5BTF0gUmU6IFtNYWtlLXdpZmktZmFzdF0gW0Nha2VdIFtC?= =?utf-8?B?bG9hdF0gSW4gbG92aW5nIG1lbW9yeSBvZiBEYXZlIFTDpGh0IDwz?= In-Reply-To: <1B0111B7-7648-4729-952A-243BDC4D4DDC@comcast.com> References: <014po62q-r99p-71np-52r1-n84n9np63nqr@ynat.uz> <87plhvlyoc.fsf@toke.dk> <976DC4FC-44CA-4C7E-90E0-DE39B57F01E1@comcast.com> <8DA2934A-43D1-4700-8F32-CA424C3FAE8D@comcast.com> <1743623511.52759201@apps.rackspace.com> <1B0111B7-7648-4729-952A-243BDC4D4DDC@comcast.com> Message-ID: The link below is for the nomination. I assume someone has already filled that out. How does one write/add/append the "letter(s) of support" ISOC requests is I think the issue, right? RR (aka Dick Roy) -----Original Message----- From: Nnagain On Behalf Of Livingood, Jason via Nnagain Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2025 7:05 AM To: Loganaden Velvindron Cc: Livingood, Jason ; cerowrt-users at lists.bufferbloat.net; Herbert Wolverson ; Make-Wifi-fast ; libreqos ; dpreed at deepplum.com; cerowrt-commits at lists.bufferbloat.net; Jeremy Austin via Rpm ; codel at lists.bufferbloat.net; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! ; codel-wireless at lists.bufferbloat.net; cerowrt-devel at lists.bufferbloat.net; bloat ; Cake List ; bloat-ietf at lists.bufferbloat.net; Frantisek (Frank) Borsik ; Dave Taht via Starlink ; Robert Chacón Subject: Re: [NNagain] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Bloat] In loving memory of Dave Täht <3 > ISOC has opened a nomination for the Johnathan Postel award, but the page is password protected ... Worked for me w/o a password: https://wp.apps.internetsociety.org/wp/postel-award/nomination-form/ _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain From frantisek.borsik at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 09:11:25 2025 From: frantisek.borsik at gmail.com (Frantisek Borsik) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 15:11:25 +0200 Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] =?utf-8?b?W0Jsb2F0XSBbRVhURVJOQUxdIFJlOiBbTWFr?= =?utf-8?q?e-wifi-fast=5D_=5BCake=5D_In_loving_memory_of_Dave_T?= =?utf-8?b?w6RodCA8Mw==?= In-Reply-To: References: <014po62q-r99p-71np-52r1-n84n9np63nqr@ynat.uz> <87plhvlyoc.fsf@toke.dk> <976DC4FC-44CA-4C7E-90E0-DE39B57F01E1@comcast.com> <8DA2934A-43D1-4700-8F32-CA424C3FAE8D@comcast.com> <1743623511.52759201@apps.rackspace.com> <1B0111B7-7648-4729-952A-243BDC4D4DDC@comcast.com> Message-ID: Not that I'm aware of - I got draft ready with one amazing friend that probably wouldn't want to be named (and if yes, he will raise his hand) and one of the Fathers of the Internet agreed to be a nominal nominator. I plan to send it out to everybody here, to ask people to co-sign it, once it's ready. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik at gmail.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 2:58 PM Richard Roy via Bloat < bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > The link below is for the nomination. I assume someone has already filled > that out. How does one write/add/append the "letter(s) of support" ISOC > requests is I think the issue, right? > > RR (aka Dick Roy) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nnagain On Behalf Of > Livingood, Jason via Nnagain > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2025 7:05 AM > To: Loganaden Velvindron > Cc: Livingood, Jason ; > cerowrt-users at lists.bufferbloat.net; Herbert Wolverson < > hwolverson at libreqos.io>; Make-Wifi-fast < > make-wifi-fast at lists.bufferbloat.net>; libreqos < > libreqos at lists.bufferbloat.net>; dpreed at deepplum.com; > cerowrt-commits at lists.bufferbloat.net; Jeremy Austin via Rpm < > rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net>; codel at lists.bufferbloat.net; Network > Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! < > nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>; codel-wireless at lists.bufferbloat.net; > cerowrt-devel at lists.bufferbloat.net; bloat ; > Cake List ; bloat-ietf at lists.bufferbloat.net; > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik ; Dave Taht via Starlink < > starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net>; Robert Chacón > Subject: Re: [NNagain] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Bloat] In > loving memory of Dave Täht <3 > > > ISOC has opened a nomination for the Johnathan Postel award, but the > page is password protected ... > > Worked for me w/o a password: > https://wp.apps.internetsociety.org/wp/postel-award/nomination-form/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frantisek.borsik at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 08:00:34 2025 From: frantisek.borsik at gmail.com (Frantisek Borsik) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 14:00:34 +0200 Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Announcing the LibreQoS Bufferbloat Test Platform Message-ID: Hello to all, We're excited to announce the release of the *LibreQoS Bufferbloat Test* – an open-source bufferbloat testing solution designed specifically for ISPs and network operators to deploy for their customers. *Link* https://test.libreqos.com *What Makes This Different* While there are several bufferbloat testing tools available, this platform addresses a critical gap: ISP-deployable infrastructure that provides both traditional testing and realistic household simulation. As Dave Täht highlighted in his influential article "What's Wrong with Speed Tests" , traditional speed tests fail to measure what users actually experience. We tried to address Dave's points to make a better speed test that focuses on the metric that matters: latency under load in realistic usage scenarios. *Two Complementary Test Modes* *Single User Test Mode* - Traditional sequential load testing (baseline → download → upload → bidirectional) - Measures working latency and jitter during each phase - Familiar A+ to F grading based on latency under load increases - Comparable to existing tools like DSLReports Speed Test and Waveform Bufferbloat Test *Virtual Household Mode (The Innovation)* Process-isolated simulation of 4 concurrent users with authentic traffic patterns: - Alex (Gaming): 1.5 Mbps constant, jitter-sensitive for competitive gaming - Sarah (Video Conference): 2.5 Mbps bidirectional, Teams simulation with working latency monitoring - Jake (Netflix HD): 25 Mbps bursts (1s on, 4s off), realistic streaming patterns - Computer (Background): Up to 200 Mbps continuous download, system updates Real-world relevance: Tests latency under load when multiple family members are online simultaneously Advanced grading: Network fairness, jitter measurement, and per-user working latency analysis *Why (not only) ISPs Need This* *The traditional approach of sending customers to third-party speed test sites has limitations:* - No control over test methodology or server placement - Limited correlation with customer support tickets - Generic results that don't reflect real-world usage patterns - No integration with ISP operational systems *This platform enables (not only) ISPs to:* - Host their own testing infrastructure with full control - Integrate with support systems via telemetry APIs - Provide customers with realistic household testing scenarios - Correlate test results with network performance and customer complaints *Open Source & Community* The entire platform is open source and available here: https://github.com/LibreQoE/bufferbloat_test We've designed this to be: - Easy to deploy for (not only) ISPs of any size - Scientifically meaningful in its measurement methodology - Realistic in its simulation of actual household usage - Integrable with existing ISP operational workflows *Community Feedback Requested* We'd love feedback from the bufferbloat.net community on: - Test methodology: Are we measuring the right metrics? - Grading thresholds: Do our A+ to F grades align with real-world impact? - Virtual household scenarios: What other realistic usage patterns should we simulate? - ISP adoption: What barriers exist for ISP deployment? *Technical Discussion* We'd welcome discussion about: - Measurement accuracy for working latency and jitter in virtual household mode - Traffic pattern authenticity (gaming, video conferencing, streaming) - Grading methodology for latency under load in complex multi-user scenarios - Integration approaches for ISP operational systems The platform represents our attempt to bridge the gap between academic bufferbloat research and practical ISP operations, building on the foundational work of researchers like Dave Täht and the broader bufferbloat community. We believe that widespread ISP deployment of proper bufferbloat testing infrastructure will ultimately benefit the entire internet ecosystem. *Looking forward to the community's thoughts and feedback!* Best regards, The LibreQoS Team *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025 https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: