<font face="arial" size="2"><p style="margin:0;padding:0;">I'm confused. Fq_codel does not (to my knowledge) fix bufferbloat *in your cable modem* or *in the CMTS head-end*.</p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">How could it? In order for that to be fixed, you need to manage the buffer in the cable modem itself.</p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">-----Original Message-----<br />From: "Sebastian Moeller" <moeller0@gmx.de><br />Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:24pm<br />To: "Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com><br />Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net<br />Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt 3.3.8-17 is released<br /><br /></p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">Hi Dave,<br /><br />so I went to play around with this a bit more. I turned to UDP flooding my cable modem through the router and this surely allows me to create enough load on the wndr3700v2 to cause the allocation errors and as a "bonus" also to drive the router to reboot (driven by the watchdog timer?). Here is the script I used over 5G wireless (from http://blog.ioshints.info/2008/03/udp-flood-in-perl.html)<br /><br />#!/usr/bin/perl<br />##############<br /><br /># udp flood.<br />##############<br /><br />use Socket;<br />use strict;<br /><br />if ($#ARGV != 3) {<br /> print "flood.pl <ip> <port> <size> <time>\n\n";<br /> print " port=0: use random ports\n";<br /> print " size=0: use random size between 64 and 1024\n";<br /> print " time=0: continuous flood\n";<br /> exit(1);<br />}<br /><br />my ($ip,$port,$size,$time) = @ARGV;<br /><br />my ($iaddr,$endtime,$psize,$pport);<br /><br />$iaddr = inet_aton("$ip") or die "Cannot resolve hostname $ip\n";<br />$endtime = time() + ($time ? $time : 1000000);<br /><br />socket(flood, PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 17);<br /><br /><br />print "Flooding $ip " . ($port ? $port : "random") . " port with " . <br /> ($size ? "$size-byte" : "random size") . " packets" . <br /> ($time ? " for $time seconds" : "") . "\n";<br />print "Break with Ctrl-C\n" unless $time;<br /><br />for (;time() <= $endtime;) {<br /> $psize = $size ? $size : int(rand(1024-64)+64) ;<br /> $pport = $port ? $port : int(rand(65500))+1;<br /><br /> send(flood, pack("a$psize","flood"), 0, pack_sockaddr_in($pport, $iaddr));}<br /><br />called as either<br />udp_flood.pl 192.168.100.1 0 1024 240<br />or <br />udp_flood.pl 192.168.100.1 32000 1024 240<br /><br />The first version with randomized port number spreads the load nicely over many fq_codel bins/flows and seems slightly more likely to cause allocation errors and reboots than the 2nd invocation which restricts itself to port 32000 and presumably just one flow.<br /> I wonder how to make cerowrt survive this kind of stress test… <br /><br />best<br /> Sebastian<br /><br /><br />On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Dave Taht wrote:<br /><br />> re: ath: skbuff alloc of size 1926 failed<br />> <br />> as for the ath skbuff problem, I've seen that a lot. I had put hard<br />> packet limits (~600) on fq_codel in -11 and prior that were too low<br />> and it mostly went away, but I hit tail drop behavior everywhere,<br />> instead of codel behavior. What I have now (typically 1200) may well<br />> be too high, but not as overly high as the default (10k packets).<br />> There may be another means of increasing the size of that slab pool or<br />> making it less onerous.<br />> <br />> I would like it if codel "kicked in" earlier than it currently does.<br />> The code in ns2 is currently using half the period that the linux code<br />> is. This would control things better, or so I hope (planning on trying<br />> this as I get time)<br />> <br />> I am also considering means of artificially upscaling the drop<br />> scheduler when we get close to queue limits.<br />> <br />> See some discussions on the codel list for these issues. (sims are<br />> easier to deal with than cerowrt, too!)<br />> <br />> as for bind, it should be automagically restarted from xinetd, no need<br />> to fiddle with anything. However, since you are already under massive<br />> memory pressure, it may well fail to start up that way, too. At the<br />> moment, I've largely given up on bind on anything but a more core home<br />> gw, and am running dnsmasq on everything (3700v2, picostations,<br />> nanostations) but the 3800s. (and the ones I run it on, aren't being<br />> used for wifi right now).<br />> <br />> Lastly: Swap space won't help you on exhausting kernel limits.<br />> <br />> I'm glad you can reproduce the ath: slab problem - I can get it too at<br />> high rates using netperf over wifi. I will try a 3700v2 with and<br />> without bind to see if it's still there in 3.3.8-17. In the meantime<br />> if anyone knows how to get more allocations in that (2048? 4096?) slab<br />> by default, perhaps that will help?<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:<br />>> Hi Dave,<br />>> <br />>> great work, as always I upgraded my production router to the latest and greatest (since I only have one router…). And it works quite well for normal usage…<br />>> Netalyzr reports around 2800ms seconds of uplink buffering, yet saturating the uplink does not affect ping times to a remote target noticeably, basically the same as for all codellized ceo versions I tested so far...<br />>> <br />>> Some notes and a question:<br />>> I noticed that even given plenty of swap space (1GB on a usb stick), using http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/residential/ to exercise UDP stress (on the uplink I assume) I can easily produce (I run the test from a macosx via 5GHz wireless over 1.5 yards):<br />>> Aug 15 01:16:29 nacktmulle kern.err kernel: [175395.132812] ath: skbuff alloc of size 1926 failed<br />>> (and plenty of those…).<br />>> What then happens is that the OOM killer will aim for bind (reasonable since it is the largest single process) and kill it. When I try to restart bind by:<br />>> root@nacktmulle:~# /etc/rc.d/S47namedprep start<br />>> root@nacktmulle:~# /etc/rc.d/S48named restart<br />>> Stopping isc-bind<br />>> /etc/chroot/named//var/run/named/named.pid not found, trying brute force<br />>> killall: named: no process killed<br />>> Kicking isc-bind in xinetd<br />>> rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused<br />>> And bind does not start again and the router becomes less than useful. Now I assume I am doing something wrong, but what, if you have any idea how to solve this short of a reboot of the router (my current method) I would be happy to learn<br />>> <br />>> <br />>> <br />>> best regards<br />>> sebastian<br />>> <br />>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Dave Taht wrote:<br />>> <br />>>> I'm too tired to write up a full set of release notes, but I've been<br />>>> testing it all day,<br />>>> and it looks better than -10 and certainly better than -11, but I won't know<br />>>> until some more folk sit down and test it, so here it is.<br />>>> <br />>>> http://huchra.bufferbloat.net/~cero1/3.3/3.3.8-17/<br />>>> <br />>>> fresh merge with openwrt, fix to a bind CVE, fixes for 6in4 and quagga<br />>>> routing problems,<br />>>> and a few tweaks to fq_codel setup that might make voip better.<br />>>> <br />>>> Go forth and break things!<br />>>> <br />>>> In other news:<br />>>> <br />>>> Van Jacobson gave a great talk about bufferbloat, BQL, codel, and fq_codel<br />>>> at last week's ietf meeting. Well worth watching. At the end he outlines<br />>>> the deployment problems in particular.<br />>>> <br />>>> http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Recordings/watch.jsp?recording=IETF84_TSVAREA&chapter=part_3<br />>>> <br />>>> Far more interesting than this email!<br />>>> <br />>>> <br />>>> --<br />>>> Dave Täht<br />>>> http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki - "3.3.8-17 is out<br />>>> with fq_codel!"<br />>>> _______________________________________________<br />>>> Cerowrt-devel mailing list<br />>>> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net<br />>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel<br />>> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> -- <br />> Dave Täht<br />> http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki - "3.3.8-17 is out<br />> with fq_codel!"<br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />Cerowrt-devel mailing list<br />Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net<br />https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel</p>
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