<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Mark Constable <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markc@renta.net" target="_blank">markc@renta.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:17:42 AM Dave Taht wrote:<br>
> Well, I see it for 320.<br>
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</div>Yes, too much. At $220 it's good value and with a newer model out now<br>
I expect this price to drop under $200 AUD (inc delivery) during 2013.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Then you need to add a SSD,<br>
<br>
</div>I've got a 4 Bay 2.5" SATA Removable Rack for the CD slot so I see the<br>
N40L as a catchall for my future hand me down 3.5" and 2.5" SATA drives<br>
on a real 3GB/s (maybe 6GB/s) SATA bus.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> and a decent network card,<br>
<br>
</div>Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5723 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 10)<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Awful big, tho, in an era where I can get 1/2TB on an 2.5 inch SSD.<br>
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</div>I see it as a centralised private cloud server with up to 12TB of RAID1<br>
that is all-round useful enough to be just about anything, even a primary<br>
workstation in a pinch with Radeon HD4200 VGA out.<br>
<br>
Hereabouts (AU) they are very popular so I was kind of hoping that maybe<br>
the N40L (at ~$200) could be the basis of an "official" 64 bit version<br>
of CeroWrt based on the UML target.<br></blockquote><div><br>Well, that sort of begs the question of why go through all the pain of porting openwrt to an x86 product, when you can just install ubuntu/fedora/any of a zillion other products on x86.<br>
<br>About the only compelling argument I can make for openwrt on x86 is the gui interfaces and the 'light on flash' argument. The first makes it theoretically easier for someone familiar with openwrt to configure an x86 based version.<br>
<br>The second is increasingly without point. <br><br>If you have compelling arguments for a high end x86 box for a 64 bit cerowrt... go for it!<br><br>Please note if I could find a decent router box in the sub 120 dollar range on x86 (with wifi, and 4 port switch) I'd dump mips in an instant. I think cero has adequately proved that all these fancy new algorithms CAN run on consumer hardware, already... although it seems as though the next generation of all this consumer hardware puts WAY too much stuff in hardware where we can't fix it in software. This latter point is my largest concern going forward - trying to find/make/use hardware that can be debloated.<br>
<br>At the moment I think however we're talking about two different things. <br><br>1) I was trying to spec a box (specifically for the yurtlab, (but others have asked for it, too)) that would let me do stuff like do packet captures at line rate and run mrtg ( <a href="http://www.lns.com/papers/mrtg/">http://www.lns.com/papers/mrtg/</a> ) and that can easily be an x86_64 box like this one... but god, the idea of making it run openwrt when I can boot one up in ubuntu in 15 minutes....<br>
<br><br>vs<br><br>2) finding some sexy hardware that could be found at retail and improved.<br><br>As for 2, it's really looking grim. The arm folk treat ethernet as an obsolete interface (which it is getting to be in the home!) and hook up one chip via a usb bus, if that. The mips area is in disarray. x86 folk think floating point and heat sinks are important in a router. ppc... ya know, I haven't looked at life in ppc-land in a while....<br>
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