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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>The concept of eliminating bufferbloat on many more routers is quite appealing. Reading some of the recent posts makes it clear there is a desire to get to a stable code, and also to find a new platform beyond the current Netgear. However, as good as some of the proposed platforms maybe for developing and for doing all of the new capabilities of CeroWRT, I also would like to propose that there also be some focus on reaching a wider and less sophisticated audience to help broaden the awareness and make control of bufferbloat more available and easier to attain for more users.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>It appears there is a desire to merge the code into an upcoming OpenWRT barrier breaker release, which is excellent as it will make it easier to fight buffer bloat on a wide range of platforms and provide users with a much easier to install firmware release. I’d like to be able to download luci-qos-scripts and sqm-scripts and have basic bufferbloat control on a much greater variety of devices and to many more users. From an awareness perspective this would be a huge win. Is the above scenario what is being planned, is it likely to happen in the reasonable future?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>From my perspective, it would be ideal to have this available to many users in a more affordable platform, something like an 8mb flash router like the TP-Link WDR-4300, which is otherwise a very capable router with dual channels and good performance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>(I’ve managed to set up such a WDR-4300, with OpenWRT trunk, figured how to telnet and install Luci, then luci-app-qos, and qos-scripts and I thought the bufferbloat control was remarkable.) How much better would it be if I were able to use luci-qos-scripts and sqm-scripts instead?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>For these target users, they need simplicity, good performance, ease of setup and affordability. They are not able to deal with the routing between subnets on wireless, IPv6 setup, and any complexities introduced by DNSSEC. Marketing the advantages of bufferbloat alone requires lots of education and publicity (and as we have seen there are many misleading posts by seemingly persuasive nay-sayers that it is all smoke and mirrors.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Would it be possible to have a simplified release of CeroWRT (in terms of setup, and features), make It available for a reliable and affordable platform, and publicize it and have it reach hopefully a much wider audience? This could potentially be through the OpenWRT channels.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Part of the reason why Tomato had been so popular is that the firmware upgrade, install, configuration, and management was well within the capabilities of the average weekend hacker, and there were compelling features and reliability vs the factory firmwares at the time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Even installing OpenWRT, especially Trunk, and finding, downloading and enabling packages, while very powerful, and flexible, is still quite complex to someone who does not spend a lot of time reading wiki’s and release notes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I’d be interested in feedback on these thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Frits Riep<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>