<html><head></head><body>Filling intermediate buffers doesn't make the tcp congestion algorithms work. They just kick in when the buffers are full! And then you end up with a pile of packets that will be duplicated which amplifies the pressure on buffers!<br clear="none">
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If there could be no buffering,the big file transfers would home in on the available capacity more quickly and waste fewer retransmit - while being friendly to folks sharing the bottleneck!<br clear="none">
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The HPC guys really don't understand a thing about control theory...<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 13, 2014, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">I have a couple friends in that crowd, and they _also_ aren't using shared lines. So they don't worry in the slightest about congestion when they're trying to keep dedicated links fully saturated. They're big issue with dropped packets is that some of the TCP congestion-control algorithms kick in on a single dropped packet: <a shape="rect" href="http://fasterdata.es.net/network-tuning/tcp-issues-explained/packet-loss/">http://fasterdata.es.net/network-tuning/tcp-issues-explained/packet-loss/</a><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'm thinking that some forward-error-correction would make their lives much, much better.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-Aaron</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Dave Taht <span dir="ltr"><<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">One thing the HPC crowd has missed is that in their quest for big<br clear="none">
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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Frank Horowitz <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:frank@horow.net">frank@horow.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Long time lurker. I’ve been using Cero for my home router for quite a while now, with reasonable results (modulo bloody OSX wifi stuffola).<br clear="none">
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> I’m running into issues doing zfs send/receive over ssh across a (mostly) internet2 backbone between Cornell (where I work) and West Virginia University (where we have a collaborator on a DOE sponsored project. Both ends are linux machines running fq_codel configured like so:<br clear="none">
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> I stumbled across hpn-ssh <<a shape="rect" href="https://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh" target="_blank">https://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh</a>> and — of particular interest to this group — their page on tuning TCP parameters:<br clear="none">
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