<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">One note: on my flight to Hawaii for the IETF, I tried running netperf-wrapper to see just how bloated the airplane system was (I presume it was GoGo, but don't know for sure: I was on United).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">On my second attempt to run the test, the on board system crashed entirely. I did not try again.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> - Jim</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Dave Taht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, <<a href="mailto:dpreed@reed.com">dpreed@reed.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> GoGo does not need to run “Man in the Middle Attacks” on YouTube<br>
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</span>re: <a href="http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?p=174" target="_blank">http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?p=174</a><br>
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I amplified via g+ and mentioned to slashdot.<br>
(<a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/4107907/gogo-airline-network-blocks-youtube-when-they-could-just-fix-their-bufferbloat" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/submission/4107907/gogo-airline-network-blocks-youtube-when-they-could-just-fix-their-bufferbloat</a><br>
) I don't use reddit, but if someone here wants to hit this topic<br>
there, perhaps it will help.<br>
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I am very perturbed by the https interception stuff and agree that<br>
they should fix their bufferbloat instead! So should amtrak and other<br>
services trying to provide general useful email and web services when<br>
they too have limited bandwidth... in an age where people want dancing<br>
cat videos on the move and are completely ignorant of the hit on the<br>
network that induces.<br>
<br>
I have quite a few benchmarks of Gogo in flight. They all suck. I<br>
think the best deployable solution would require reworking their<br>
satellite uplink management to be available bandwidth aware...<br>
although I think they could get quite a lot of mileage out of merely<br>
rate limiting and fq_codeling at the airplane itself.<br>
<br>
I note that we have not extensively tested fq_codel at the latencies<br>
typically experienced here and probably should!<br>
<br>
I also tend to wish that streaming video had got it's own control port<br>
rather than being layered over 80 and 443.<br>
<br>
lastly... I do appreciate very much your mention of me, but if you<br>
could expand that bit to say any of the bufferbloat crew - all of us<br>
seem to be looking for work, or distracted by other work. In my case I<br>
am mostly now distracted by non-bufferbloat related, but paid work.<br>
<br>
The fact that I still have to rattle a tin cup to fix bufferbloat at<br>
this point is quite bothersome. With such an epidemic of a problem I<br>
really thought the world would have beat a path to our doors long,<br>
long ago, and/or start leveraging the plethora of information and code<br>
we have put online to go forth and deploy bufferbloat solutions,<br>
especially in extreme cases like aircraft, access in the third world,<br>
and in remote areas. Certainly the ubnt userbase jumped all over<br>
fq_codel...<br>
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