<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_44661"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_44662">I think we need something that's comprehensible as quickly as possible. I'm no graphic designer, but how about this:</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_44669"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258"><a href="https://imgrush.com/0oPGJ8VHluFy.png" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30273">https://imgrush.com/0oPGJ8VHluFy.png</a><br></div><div style="width:450px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';margin-top:5px; margin-bottom: 5px; background-color: #ffffff;" contenteditable="false" id="enhancrCard_1" class="link-enhancr-attachment link-enhancr-element"><table class="link-enhancr-element" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="width:450px; height:170px; position: relative; display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30294"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30293"><tr class="link-enhancr-element" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30301"><td class="link-enhancr-element" colspan="8" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30300"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_30299"> </div></td></tr><tr class="link-enhancr-element" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_31260"><td rowspan="5" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td><td class="link-enhancr-element" rowspan="5" style="vertical-align: middle; width: 168px; height: 168px; background-color: #000000;border-collapse: collapse;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_36015"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 168px;" align="center" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_36014"><a href="https://imgrush.com/0oPGJ8VHluFy.png" class="link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper link-enhancr-element" style="text-decoration: none !important; color: #000000 !important;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_36013"><img alt="image" src="https://imgrush.com/0oPGJ8VHluFy.png" class="link-enhancr-thumbnail-image link-enhancr-element" width="119" height="168" style="display: block; 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background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_37947"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_37946"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258">I used the word 'delay' as it is more familiar than latency. The number is illustrated by a picture of a physical queue; hopefully everyone can identify it instantly, and knows that a longer one is worse. The eye supposed to be drawn to the figure at the back of the queue to emphasise this.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258">I just made this manually in inkscape, but it should not be too hard to automate the generation of a graphic like this.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426903676350_29258">Alex</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, March 20, 2015 9:08 PM, Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) <versteb@cisco.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">I was kidding about "sucks-less", and forgot the smiley in my initial note.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">We do need a metric with an end-user-friendly name, though. Most people understand "lag", and understand that lower numbers are better. You could probably explain "lag-while-loaded" to most users (particularly people who care, like gamers) in a manner that got the point across.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Bvs<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yqt6727927558" id="yqtfd28597"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: Jonathan Morton [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chromatix99@gmail.com" href="mailto:chromatix99@gmail.com">chromatix99@gmail.com</a>] <br clear="none">Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:26 PM<br clear="none">To: Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)<br clear="none">Cc: Rémi Cardona; bloat; <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" href="mailto:cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net">cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Bloat] marketing #102 - giving netperf-wrapper a better name?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On 20 Mar, 2015, at 22:08, Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:versteb@cisco.com" href="mailto:versteb@cisco.com">versteb@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> We should call the metric "sucks-less". As in "Box A sucks less than Box B", or "Box C scored a 17 on the sucks less test".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I suspect real marketing drones would get nervous at a negative-sounding name.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">My idea - which I’ve floated in the past, more than once - is that the metric should be “responsiveness”, measured in Hertz. The baseline standard would be 10Hz, corresponding to a dumb 100ms buffer. Get down into the single-digit millisecond range, as fq_codel does, and the Responsiveness goes up above 100Hz, approaching 1000Hz.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Crucially, that’s a positive sort of term, as well as trending towards bigger numbers with actual improvements in performance, and is thus more potentially marketable.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> - Jonathan Morton<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Bloat mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" href="mailto:Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net">Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat" target="_blank">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>