<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Just a note - a lot of this mess is due to China's rapid dev cycles and race to the bottom on cost vs supply.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Generally a fab house who is in turn contracted by an OEM in China will have 1 maybe 2 engineers who will do the initial low level C bits required for a product/board. They get it working on whatever build environment they have at hand and chuck it over the fence to product unit who ship it. Then moving onto the next contract never to be seen from again. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">-Joel<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2018 at 08:15, Dave Taht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:48 AM <a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com">dpreed@deepplum.com</a> <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router software initiative?<br>
<br>
</span>We tried. Personally, having bled out mentally and financially more<br>
than once, I am not up to trying again. They don't return our calls<br>
anymore.<br>
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> I can see that all the current network product OEMs might mass up to kill it or make it fail. Kind of like coreboot vs. UEFI.<br>
><br>
> But maybe Facebook or Amazon or Google - dedicated white-box fan companies - might do it. Or maybe there's a Chinese funding source.<br>
<br>
</span>Well, try to sort through<br>
<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesnycouncil/2018/07/26/why-you-should-start-looking-at-googles-flutter-and-fuchsia-now/#795943a6a309" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/<wbr>forbesnycouncil/2018/07/26/<wbr>why-you-should-start-looking-<wbr>at-googles-flutter-and-<wbr>fuchsia-now/#795943a6a309</a><br>
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As for china, sure, that would be great. Europe, sure. I think china<br>
has a huge incentive to get into making better firmware in<br>
collaboration with europe. As for america...<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: "Jonathan Morton" <<a href="mailto:chromatix99@gmail.com">chromatix99@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:13am<br>
> To: "Mikael Abrahamsson" <<a href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net">cerowrt-devel@lists.<wbr>bufferbloat.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how fHow wouar behind is the embedded router world, still?<br>
><br>
> > On 26 Jul, 2018, at 11:53 am, Mikael Abrahamsson <<a href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > they seem to live in a world where you take a linux kernel that's announced as LTS (in the best of worlds), work on that for 1-2 years during which you release an SDK, which then the device manufacturers will take and start putting their solutions on, which takes another 1-2 years before it reaches customers.<br>
><br>
> This in itself sounds like a colossal waste of developer man-hours. Which really just serves to underline how clueless CPE vendors are - about their core business, no less.<br>
><br>
> They obviously have a lot more resources than we do. What could *we* do with that level of funding and organisation? Take six months, and put out a router that *doesn't* suck for a change!<br>
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