<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">This is the precise distinction I was making. I didn’t pay. Someone paid, but not me. It’s amazing that you were willing to make it work out of pocket, but that’s just not scalable. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On May 12, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Joel Jaeggli <<a href="mailto:joelja@bogus.com">joelja@bogus.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 10, 2019, at 07:00, Ted Lemon <<a href="mailto:mellon@fugue.com" class="">mellon@fugue.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On May 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Joe Touch <<a href="mailto:touch@strayalpha.com" class="">touch@strayalpha.com</a>> wrote:<div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">The only people who get a fully free ride that I know of are the IEEE Comsoc Board.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Hm. I’ve never paid to attend IETF. Granted, this is not because IETF comped me, but because I was fortunate enough to have an employer who could afford to send me at no cost to me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This model unfortunately doesn’t work for open source developers who are not on the payroll of a company with deep pockets.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">That's an odd definition of having never paid. At the point of registration, you either provided a credit card or requested an invoice. The nominal cost of your involvement in the IETF borne on the part of you or your employer(s) is no doubt considerable, especially during your term on the IESG when the time commitment was also considerable.. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For most of the 4 years I spent on the IESG I paid the costs of attending out of my own pocket. I did that, because it was what i signed up for, because it needed to get done and because I believed there was value in the work being done in the operations and management area. Back as an individual contributor I come when I have something to do and some way to pay for it otherwise I wouldn't be there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">joel</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></body></html>