[LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] On FiWi

[Bruce Perens]

I think the big problem with this is users per domicile. It's easy enough
to support one floor of a residence with a single AP. There is an upper
limit on the bandwidth that one user can ever require. It is probably what
is needed for full-sphere VR at the perceptual limit. We have long achieved
the perceptual limit of ears, on top of that we have a lot of tweaking and
self-deception. We will get to the limit of eyes. Multiply this by eight
users per domicile for a limit that most would fit in. We can probably do
that with one AP. The additional equipment and maintenance outlay for
structural fiber and an AP per room doesn't really seem worth it.



On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 09:17 Aaron Wood <woody77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the general idea, especially if there was a site-wide controller
> module that can do the sort of frequency allocation that network engineers
> do in dense AP deployments today:  adjacent APs run on different frequency
> bands so that they reduce the likelihood of stepping on each others
> transmissions.
>
> One of the biggest knowledge gaps that I see people have around wireless
> is that it IS a shared medium.  It both is, and isn’t a bus.  Shared like a
> bus, but with the hidden transmissions that remove the csma abilities that
> get with a bus.
>
> But the main issue will be deployment.  This would be great for commercial
> buildings that get retrofitted every decade or so with new gear.
>
> This will be near-impossible in the US except for new construction or big
> remodels of existing structures.  The cost of opening the walls to run the
> fiber will make the cost of the hardware itself insignificant.
>
> OTOH, because the STAs aren’t specialized, the existing ones “just work”,
> and so you don’t have the usual bootstrap issue that plagues tech like
> zigbee and Zwave, where there isn’t enough infra to justify the devices, or
> not enough devices to justify the infra.
>
> -Aaron
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:21 PM Bruce Perens via Rpm <
> rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:11 PM Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the AP needs to blast a CTS so every other possible conversation has to
>>> halt.
>>>
>> The wireless network is not a bus. This still ignores the hidden
>> transmitter problem because there is a similar network in the next room.
>>
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