<div dir="auto"><div>Hmmm... that should be a good performer, has the hardware crytpo support, and is a goodly amount more powerful than the N3xxx that I have in a little Zotac box (CI327) router. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Others on the OpenWRT forum (dlakeland) have tested that one, or even a lower scale J1900, as being able to shape a full 1Gb link, IIRC. Several threads going into that. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">BTW, the CI327 seems to now be extinct, but the delayed CI329 (which has a N4100 or 4105) is out now, $160-190, but w/o ram... so maybe this new board is a better deal at that price. Dont think it has Intel eth chipset, think its the "better" Realtec the earlier model had. Another option...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 9:00 AM <<a href="mailto:make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net">make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Make-wifi-fast mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting (Dave Taht)<br>
2. Re: [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting (Aaron Wood)<br>
3. I lost my temper with the wsj this morning (Dave Taht)<br>
4. Re: [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting (Dave Taht)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "David P. Reed" <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>><br>Cc: Aaron Wood <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>>, Cake List <<a href="mailto:cake@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cake@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, Make-Wifi-fast <<a href="mailto:make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, bloat <<a href="mailto:bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:10:06 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting<br>Historically I've found the "Celeron" chips rather weak, but it's just<br>
a brand. I haven't the foggiest idea how well this variant will<br>
perform.<br>
<br>
The intel ethernet chips are best of breed in linux, however. It's<br>
been my hope that the 211 variant with the timed networking support<br>
would show up in the field (sch_etx) so we could fiddle with that,<br>
(the apu2s aren't using that version) but I cannot for the life of me<br>
remember the right keywords to look it up at the moment. this feature<br>
lets you program when a packet emerges from the driver and is sort of<br>
a whole new ballgame when it comes to scheduling - there hasn't been<br>
an aqm designed for it, and you can do fq by playing tricks with the<br>
sent timestamp.<br>
<br>
All the other features look rather nice on this board.<br>
<br>
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM David P. Reed <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks! I ordered one just now. In my experience, this company does rather neat stuff. Their XMOS based microphone array (ReSpeaker) is really useful. What's the state of play in Linux/OpenWRT for Intel 9560 capabilities regarding AQM?<br>
><br>
> On Saturday, April 4, 2020 12:12am, "Aaron Wood" <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>> said:<br>
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> ><br>
> > quad-core Celeron J4105 1.5-2.5 GHz x64<br>
> > 8GB Ram<br>
> > 2x i211t intel ethernet controllers<br>
> > intel 9560 802.11ac (wave2) wifi/bluetooth chipset<br>
> > intel built-in graphics<br>
> > onboard ARM Cortex-M0 and RPi & Arduino headers<br>
> > m.2 and PCIe adapters<br>
> > <$200<br>
> ><br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Aaron Wood <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Cake List <<a href="mailto:cake@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cake@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, "David P. Reed" <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>>, Make-Wifi-fast <<a href="mailto:make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, bloat <<a href="mailto:bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:27:12 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting<br><div><div dir="auto">The comparison of chipset performance link (to OpemWRT forums) that went out had this chip, the J4105 as the fastest. Able to do a gigabit with cake (nearly able to do it in both directions).</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think this has replaced the apu2 as the board I’m going with as my edge router.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Historically I've found the "Celeron" chips rather weak, but it's just<br>
a brand. I haven't the foggiest idea how well this variant will<br>
perform.<br>
<br>
The intel ethernet chips are best of breed in linux, however. It's<br>
been my hope that the 211 variant with the timed networking support<br>
would show up in the field (sch_etx) so we could fiddle with that,<br>
(the apu2s aren't using that version) but I cannot for the life of me<br>
remember the right keywords to look it up at the moment. this feature<br>
lets you program when a packet emerges from the driver and is sort of<br>
a whole new ballgame when it comes to scheduling - there hasn't been<br>
an aqm designed for it, and you can do fq by playing tricks with the<br>
sent timestamp.<br>
<br>
All the other features look rather nice on this board.<br>
<br>
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM David P. Reed <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks! I ordered one just now. In my experience, this company does rather neat stuff. Their XMOS based microphone array (ReSpeaker) is really useful. What's the state of play in Linux/OpenWRT for Intel 9560 capabilities regarding AQM?<br>
><br>
> On Saturday, April 4, 2020 12:12am, "Aaron Wood" <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>> said:<br>
><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
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> > <a href="https://www.seeedstudio.com/ODYSSEY-X86J4105800-p-4445.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.seeedstudio.com/ODYSSEY-X86J4105800-p-4445.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> > quad-core Celeron J4105 1.5-2.5 GHz x64<br>
> > 8GB Ram<br>
> > 2x i211t intel ethernet controllers<br>
> > intel 9560 802.11ac (wave2) wifi/bluetooth chipset<br>
> > intel built-in graphics<br>
> > onboard ARM Cortex-M0 and RPi & Arduino headers<br>
> > m.2 and PCIe adapters<br>
> > <$200<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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Dave Täht<br>
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</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">- Sent from my iPhone.</div>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Make-Wifi-fast <<a href="mailto:make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:35:03 -0700<br>Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] I lost my temper with the wsj this morning<br><a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/faster-internet-is-on-the-way-11585869911" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wsj.com/articles/faster-internet-is-on-the-way-11585869911</a><br>
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Make Music, Not War<br>
<br>
Dave Täht<br>
CTO, TekLibre, LLC<br>
<a href="http://www.teklibre.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.teklibre.com</a><br>
Tel: 1-831-435-0729<br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Aaron Wood <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Cake List <<a href="mailto:cake@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cake@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, "David P. Reed" <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>>, Make-Wifi-fast <<a href="mailto:make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>, bloat <<a href="mailto:bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 10:36:01 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting<br>I think I'll wait for y'all to try it and report back. I trust my<br>
apu2s and I actually kind of like they lack a graphics chip and need<br>
to be configured via serial port.<br>
<br>
In other news I've started testing ubuntu 20.4, which among other<br>
things, has wireguard in it. I've been really frustrated with the<br>
state of distributions lately, trying to get any complex thing done<br>
has required snaps and docker containers and I really prefer running<br>
stuff natively when possible. Tools that I still rely on like mrtg and<br>
smokeping are undermaintained, trying to get zoneminder to co-exist<br>
and co-install with anything else (notably jitsi thus far) has been a<br>
real PITA.<br>
<br>
I am pleased at the increasing size of the ipv6 deployment, my phone<br>
got it last month....<br>
<br>
I think I've found a babel bug with default routes...<br>
<br>
and I fired up a kernel build to go hack on the ax200 chips.<br>
<br>
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:27 AM Aaron Wood <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> The comparison of chipset performance link (to OpemWRT forums) that went out had this chip, the J4105 as the fastest. Able to do a gigabit with cake (nearly able to do it in both directions).<br>
><br>
> I think this has replaced the apu2 as the board I’m going with as my edge router.<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Historically I've found the "Celeron" chips rather weak, but it's just<br>
>> a brand. I haven't the foggiest idea how well this variant will<br>
>> perform.<br>
>><br>
>> The intel ethernet chips are best of breed in linux, however. It's<br>
>> been my hope that the 211 variant with the timed networking support<br>
>> would show up in the field (sch_etx) so we could fiddle with that,<br>
>> (the apu2s aren't using that version) but I cannot for the life of me<br>
>> remember the right keywords to look it up at the moment. this feature<br>
>> lets you program when a packet emerges from the driver and is sort of<br>
>> a whole new ballgame when it comes to scheduling - there hasn't been<br>
>> an aqm designed for it, and you can do fq by playing tricks with the<br>
>> sent timestamp.<br>
>><br>
>> All the other features look rather nice on this board.<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM David P. Reed <<a href="mailto:dpreed@deepplum.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dpreed@deepplum.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks! I ordered one just now. In my experience, this company does rather neat stuff. Their XMOS based microphone array (ReSpeaker) is really useful. What's the state of play in Linux/OpenWRT for Intel 9560 capabilities regarding AQM?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Saturday, April 4, 2020 12:12am, "Aaron Wood" <<a href="mailto:woody77@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woody77@gmail.com</a>> said:<br>
>> ><br>
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>> > ><br>
>> > > quad-core Celeron J4105 1.5-2.5 GHz x64<br>
>> > > 8GB Ram<br>
>> > > 2x i211t intel ethernet controllers<br>
>> > > intel 9560 802.11ac (wave2) wifi/bluetooth chipset<br>
>> > > intel built-in graphics<br>
>> > > onboard ARM Cortex-M0 and RPi & Arduino headers<br>
>> > > m.2 and PCIe adapters<br>
>> > > <$200<br>
>> > ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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>> Dave Täht<br>
>> CTO, TekLibre, LLC<br>
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>> Tel: 1-831-435-0729<br>
><br>
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> - Sent from my iPhone.<br>
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Make Music, Not War<br>
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<a href="http://www.teklibre.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.teklibre.com</a><br>
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