[NNagain] Premium quality retail plans?

[Dave Taht]

IF you have a major fork in the conversation, please change the title to suit.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:53 AM Michael Richardson via Rpm
<rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mike Conlow via Bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>     > As I read this thread and think about the coming debate in the U.S., two
>     > things come to mind:
>
>     > 1. Ofcom is considering
>     > <https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/net-neutrality-review>
>     > a net neutrality "clarification". The first topic in the consultation is
>     > whether ISPs should be allowed to offer "premium quality retail plans". It
>     > doesn't specify the technical implementation, but there would be different
>     > plans for "users who mainly stream" vs "people who use high quality
>     > virtual reality applications". Apparently ISPs feel the existing NN rules
>     > are not clear on whether this is allowed.
>
>     > The question I'm thinking about is do we want an Internet where end user
>     > plans are divided up this way? And if not, is a NN regulation the right
>     > place to put those rules?
>
> Network Neutrality means that all senders are treated the same by the *ISP*
> The ISP doesn't get to decide to prefer some peers over others.
>
> It doesn't mean that the customer can't be given controls to determine what
> traffic they want, and what priority they want to give it.
>
> I think those two categories are totally bonkers.  I would never want to
> subscribe to either service plan, because clearly the ISP thinks they can
> just offload bufferbloat.   We've had protocols to classify traffic for
> decades, but ISPs couldn't be bothered to figure out how to sell that.
>
>     > 2. To the point in the PS of the below email, I would agree things are
>     > mostly working in the EU, and in the US. But things
>     > <https://twitter.com/j0xaf/status/850081406277619712> are
>
> What's twitter?
>
>     > Are NN rules the right place to address this and make sure it doesn't
>     > happen in the US? Or is one bad actor across the EU and US the cost of
>     > doing business and the Internet ecosystem and "market" are *mostly* solving
>     > the issue?
>
> The EU bureaucrats are mostly lost in some fantasy land.
> I don't think it will end well.

It is most of the industry, I do not wish to point fingers at any one
org as being confused, or at fault. I would, however, like to inject
technical details into all these conversations.

Moved this
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