[NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

Mon Oct 16 01:32:20 EDT 2023

> On Oct 15, 2023, at 5:20 AM, le berger des photons via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> Gene,  you seem to have missed the part where the psychopaths who run the society have made most scientists believe things which just ain't true.  You talk about seeing gravity waves, and you probably refuse to imagine that gravity is an unlimited source of energy which we can exploit and send the psychopaths packing except that they've fooled most of the people who think of themselves as scientists so that they can control a miserable world rather than participate in a dream world.  Do you think I'm mistaken?

Wow, there are a lot of thoughts packed in here.
I don’t have a theory for understanding psychopaths
I know of a few influential psychopaths, but I don’t know if any of those “who run the society”
I don’t know how to qualitatively believe "most scientists believe things which just ain’t true”
There might be “some” or “a few”. Which scientist are you thinking about?
Yes, we have built a machine to measure and visualize gravity waves.
Why would I refuse to IMAGINE "that gravity is an unlimited source of energy"?
I suspect the energy density in a gravity wave might not be useful to us. But that is my speculation
Could you sketch out how gravity energy can be extracted in useful quantities?
As to “…which we can exploit and send… and send the psychopaths packing… rather than participate in a dream world.”
I have no way to understand that chain of thoughts. It is just too terse. It is a string of sound bites that I can’t interpret. What are you trying to make me think or feel? Is it written by ChatGPT?
If you had a billion dollars… what would you do with it?
How much money would approximate “an unlimited source of energy”?
If you had an unlimited source of money, what would you do with it?
Can you now send psychopaths packing?
Is unlimited still not enough because of all the fooled scientists?

🧐   Gene

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> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:43 AM Eugene Y Chang via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
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>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com <mailto:dave.taht at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while.
> 
> You missed my point. I didn’t mean to suggest a logout for anyone.
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> Being connected to reality and life is hard work.
> Many people distrust science and engineering because they don’t appreciate how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are connected to observations from the human senses back when we studied natural philosophy. This is the chain of observations spanning thousands of years and generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called science. Every technical fact we know can be traced back through this chain of human observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our senses. Now, we can “see” and measure electron positions and gravity waves. It is not magic and belief. It is the chain of hard work by many people.
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> Similarly, connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to the world, and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our animal instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve enlightenment.
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> Gene
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>> 172 thoughts left to come in!
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>> /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders
>> (was this list coming in as spam?)
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>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang at ieee.org <mailto:eugene.chang at ieee.org>> wrote:
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>>> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
>>> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.)
>>> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gene
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> Eugene Chang
>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>> eugene.chang at ieee.org <mailto:eugene.chang at ieee.org>
>>> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
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>>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
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>>> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro at hotmail.com <mailto:li_qian_pro at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> I would like to fund in three areas.
>>> 
>>> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
>>> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
>>> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>>> 
>>> Qian
>>> 
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>>> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net>> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
>>> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com <mailto:rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com>>
>>> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com <mailto:dave.taht at gmail.com>>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>>> 
>>> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
>>> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
>>> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
>>> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
>>> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
>>> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
>>> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774 <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774>
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com <mailto:rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
>>> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
>>> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
>>> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
>>> heat pumps
>>> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
>>> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
>>> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't:
>>> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
>>> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
>>> o) Buy a boat
>>> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
>>> o) Fund anti aging research
>>> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
>>> do so
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4>
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>>> 
>>> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>>> 
>>> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/ <http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/>
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