[NNagain] 2015 flashback

[Livingood, Jason]

On home routers / gateways, many ISPs will lease a device to users and that covers the cost of ongoing feature & security & performance updates and so on. The retail channel is mostly (except at the high end) a 1-time purchase with no ongoing revenue for the device maker or incentive for shipping reasonably current software. But with the FCC's upcoming cybersecurity certification program under consideration, I do wonder if that will improve the situation for consumers by pushing device makers to improve their software & ongoing support (such as for bugs/vulns)? 

Jason 

On 10/29/23, 15:29, "Nnagain on behalf of rjmcmahon via Nnagain" <nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:


My thoughts are those that want to innovate in network devices should do 
the innovative work and sell their innovations to the market, then find 
out if the market wants those innovations by asking for payments. I find 
if people are unwilling to pay for something it many times means that 
that something isn't seen as desired. Market signals are a way in a 
capitalistic system to allocate resources including human resources.


Asking government to step in and expropriate decades of intellectual 
property development or the outside plants via "type II regulation" is 
typically not effective and likely not even legal. Few want to do the 
work and have their work taken away by the State. Systems that allow 
this will cause investment into these activities to cease, and more 
importantly, it is a form of State coercion parading itself as "doing 
good." Nobody wants to go back to the days of Ma Bell and State 
controlled communications.


There are existence proofs of many new Wifi & AP companies since 2015. 
One may look there to see how these groups were able to innovate so 
their products had monetary value and how device mfg became partners.


Bob
> We had many notables have key and prophetic things to say about the
> internet's problems and future... back in 2015,
> when we were fighting to keep home routers open enough to fix them.
> 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HT2NjsHR1bGQM0PeawYuF60B_m3Hisa3_Q1MB2aVNs4/edit?usp=sharing__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!BCaF1xaItJ-TpDmrKGG4HLKkne8v8RFk8VPtvJvbGCPzppWvm-WhX1qVDgb5iDYDWv9Sfr7Gc55XSVXOywt-cZ6qpyBapjnz$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HT2NjsHR1bGQM0PeawYuF60B_m3Hisa3_Q1MB2aVNs4/edit?usp=sharing__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!BCaF1xaItJ-TpDmrKGG4HLKkne8v8RFk8VPtvJvbGCPzppWvm-WhX1qVDgb5iDYDWv9Sfr7Gc55XSVXOywt-cZ6qpyBapjnz$> 
> 
> I do not think any of the contributors to this document have changed
> their opinions much since then, and while I think the situation less
> dire, the overall scope of these problems outlined above, wider.
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