[NNagain] The Whys of the Wichita IXP Project

Sat Feb 24 09:03:54 EST 2024

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
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> > On Feb 24, 2024, at 14:12, Fearghas Mckay via Nnagain <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> > On 24 Feb 2024 at 12:27:09, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Who can fund more IXPs? The internet society has a 50k set-asied.
> > The member ISPs perhaps ?  Seems to work in a lot of other countries.
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> Exactly.  It works fine in the US, as well, as we can see from ~130 IXPs, of which only the original four got subsidies.

Isoc has 50k. Does that count as a subsidy?

Isoc: https://www.internetsociety.org/funding-areas/sustainable-peering-ixp/

In my case you can safely assume I have 0 dollars in my pocket for
even trying, but substantial expertise, going all the way back to the
90s. In my case I would enjoy creating and running an IXP in my spare
time and in my dotage, to keep my hand in, but there are some needed
upfront expenses to handle. I care a lot about building sustainable
infrastructure in general... and have zero contacts in tech in
Florida.

> Money is never the problem for startup IXPs.  It’s always location and governance.

Thank you for your expertise as to what it takes to start an IXP. As a
thought experiment...

(I am presently stuck in fort myers, florida, for the duration of my
mom´s illnesses. I might end up being here for a few years, and am
casting about for something I can do that would be more useful and
profitable than ranting on mailing lists, or open source software
development, or fixing bufferbloat)

Ft Myers was devastated by hurricane Ian, and multiple outlying
islands like Sanibell, wiped clean. I do not presently have any
insight into how the rebuilding process is going (the harbor next to
me is still sadly filled with sunken boats and in bankruptcy), but I
imagine there is a lot of new fiber being dropped around here.

Connected Nation identifies Fort Myers as an ideal location for an
IXP. Some traceroutes show traffic being backhauled to Naples (about
40 miles away). There is a huge infrastructure of hospital buildings,
rich folk, and so on that makes much of the area seemingly ideal for
fiber, but comcast has a lock on most of it (and the aging populace is
still quite fond of broadcast tv). The internet in my building is not
all that good, but various quotes for putting fiber in here have all
stalled out. (and most residents just watch tv). MANY new buildings
are under construction however....

I am very pleased to see that the nearest hospital is connected up via
IPv6, but it takes 28ms to get there, when I can see it about a mile
outside my window.

So I figure step 1, in starting an IXP, is talk to the ISPs in the
area, and also the local government and potential anchors like
hospitals and schools?

...

traceroute6 leehealth.org

traceroute to leehealth.org (2606:4700::6812:1134), 30 hops max, 80 byte packets
 1  2601:6c0:c102:a770:1485:1eff:feaa:4547
(2601:6c0:c102:a770:1485:1eff:feaa:4547)  0.090 ms  0.009 ms  0.007 ms
 2  2601:6c0:c102:a770:35c0:ee0:c4f7:fd84
(2601:6c0:c102:a770:35c0:ee0:c4f7:fd84)  0.810 ms  0.759 ms  0.737 ms
 3  2601:6c0:c102:a770:4af7:c0ff:fee3:7452
(2601:6c0:c102:a770:4af7:c0ff:fee3:7452)  3.342 ms  4.552 ms  6.012 ms
 4  2001:558:4012:8::1 (2001:558:4012:8::1)  27.545 ms  30.448 ms  30.436 ms
 5  po-302-1209-rur01.beaudr.fl.naples.comcast.net
(2001:558:252:6029::1)  28.228 ms  28.558 ms  30.375 ms
 6  ae-28-ar03.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net
(2001:558:250:124::1)  43.536 ms  30.311 ms  30.599 ms
 7  be-33923-cs02.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (2001:558:3:355::1)
44.881 ms be-33943-cs04.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (2001:558:3:357::1)
 42.755 ms be-33933-cs03.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net
(2001:558:3:356::1)  43.370 ms
 8  be-3212-pe12.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (2001:558:3:69::2)  42.899
ms be-3411-pe11.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (2001:558:3:67::2)  42.651
ms be-3312-pe12.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (2001:558:3:6a::2)  41.372
ms
 9  2001:559::902 (2001:559::902)  55.573 ms 2001:559::462
(2001:559::462)  28.796 ms 2001:559::902 (2001:559::902)  75.450 ms
10  2400:cb00:368:3:: (2400:cb00:368:3::)  30.076 ms 2400:cb00:369:3::
(2400:cb00:369:3::)  39.196 ms 2400:cb00:368:3:: (2400:cb00:368:3::)
26.319 ms
11  2400:cb00:363:1024::ac46:35da (2400:cb00:363:1024::ac46:35da)
27.691 ms 2400:cb00:368:1024::ac46:5183
(2400:cb00:368:1024::ac46:5183)  28.746 ms
2400:cb00:363:1024::ac46:3508 (2400:cb00:363:1024::ac46:3508)  28.130
ms

dtaht at tank:~$ traceroute 9.9.9.9
traceroute to 9.9.9.9 (9.9.9.9), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  _gateway.lxd (100.115.92.193)  0.122 ms  0.008 ms  0.005 ms
 2  100.115.92.25 (100.115.92.25)  0.414 ms  0.390 ms  0.379 ms
 3  10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1)  5.898 ms  6.690 ms  7.679 ms
 4  96.120.50.49 (96.120.50.49)  22.690 ms  23.041 ms  24.509 ms
 5  po-302-1210-rur02.beaudr.fl.naples.comcast.net (68.85.96.17)
23.695 ms  24.885 ms  24.876 ms
 6  po-2-rur01.beaudr.fl.naples.comcast.net (68.85.59.5)  28.215 ms
27.568 ms  26.779 ms
 7  ae-28-ar03.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net (68.85.59.41)
31.193 ms  15.073 ms  22.149 ms
 8  be-33923-cs02.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.45.85)  23.417 ms
be-33943-cs04.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.45.93)  20.343 ms
be-33923-cs02.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.45.85)  23.917 ms
 9  be-3401-pe01.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.36.94)  24.600 ms
be-3101-pe01.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.36.82)  24.900 ms
be-3201-pe01.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.36.86)  25.352 ms
10  50.248.117.138 (50.248.117.138)  28.871 ms  29.407 ms  30.029 ms
11  dns9.quad9.net (9.9.9.9)  27.987 ms !X  27.817 ms !X  32.385 ms !X

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Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos