[NNagain] are you Bill Woodcock?

Tue Jan 23 04:23:33 EST 2024

Yeah, Bill will share the recording.

All the best,

Frank
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 10:07 AM, le berger des photons via Nnagain <
nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Damn!  I slept through it,  wasn't careful enough, thought it was 4 p.m.
> usa time.  I hope you recorded it.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jay
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:14 AM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain <
> nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 19, 2024, at 09:36, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2024, at 05:38, le berger des photons via Nnagain wrote:
>> On 1/18/2024 6:14 PM, Bill Woodcock via Nnagain wrote:
>>
>> Do y’all (meaning folks on the list generally) want to just organize up a
>> video-call, to talk about how IXPs work, and address questions? I can
>> get a few of my other staff on the call, who’ve also dealt with a lot of
>> IXPs, and can add to my perspective.
>>
>>
>> Ok…  Normally we do things on our own Jitsi server, but since we don’t
>> really have a sense of how many folks will show up for this, we decided to
>> do it on Zoom.
>>
>> Join our Cloud HD Video Meeting
>> <https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86131129506?pwd=PlhHgU24uezoTavCWTSP9N0hzpTyEC.1>
>> us06web.zoom.us
>> <https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86131129506?pwd=PlhHgU24uezoTavCWTSP9N0hzpTyEC.1>
>> [image: zoom.ico]
>> <https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86131129506?pwd=PlhHgU24uezoTavCWTSP9N0hzpTyEC.1>
>> <https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86131129506?pwd=PlhHgU24uezoTavCWTSP9N0hzpTyEC.1>
>>
>> Or Zoom Meeting ID 861 3112 9506 and passcode 777245.
>>
>> 11pm Singapore, 4pm CET, 3pm UTC, 10am US east, 7am US west.
>>
>> There was a question as to whether it will be recorded and whether it can
>> be shared…  Yes, everything PCH does is under a Creative Commons
>> Attribution Non-Commercial license.  I’ll try to make sure that we record
>> and post the video.
>>
>> We’ll try to cover the diversity of ways IXPs get started, governed, and
>> grow, best-practices, and leave plenty of time for Q&A / discussion.
>>
>> Jay’s original question, regarding how an IXP would interact with a rural
>> community fiber network of 200 families in a 25km radius, provides a useful
>> starting-point for the conversation.  For reference, his network is here:
>>
>> [image:
>> AF1QipPyZ6Fk7ZzK9a8266YqxOjq0nKhIwhIjjAID3UA=w900-h900-k-no-p.jpeg]
>>
>> Dordogne · France
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dordogne,+France/@46.563077,-2.2371537,6z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47ff7a7475a8138b:0x3066517481126e0!8m2!3d45.1469486!4d0.7572205!16zL20vMGM4MnM?entry=ttu>
>> google.com
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dordogne,+France/@46.563077,-2.2371537,6z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47ff7a7475a8138b:0x3066517481126e0!8m2!3d45.1469486!4d0.7572205!16zL20vMGM4MnM?entry=ttu>
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>> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dordogne,+France/@46.563077,-2.2371537,6z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47ff7a7475a8138b:0x3066517481126e0!8m2!3d45.1469486!4d0.7572205!16zL20vMGM4MnM?entry=ttu>
>>
>> [image: 1200px-Périgueux_préfecture_(2).JPG]
>>
>> Dordogne <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dordogne>
>> en.wikipedia.org <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dordogne>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dordogne>
>>
>> Household income and poverty in 2019 − Localised disposable income system
>> (FiLoSoFi) – Results for all municipalities, departments, regions,
>> intermunicipal authorities ...
>> <https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/6455956?geo=DEP-24>
>> insee.fr <https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/6455956?geo=DEP-24>
>> [image: favicon.ico]
>> <https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/6455956?geo=DEP-24>
>> <https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/6455956?geo=DEP-24>
>>
>> [image: GettyImages-174602127-scaled.jpg]
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>> Behind the Dordogne’s right turn
>> <https://www.politico.eu/article/behind-the-dordognes-right-turn/>
>> politico.eu
>> <https://www.politico.eu/article/behind-the-dordognes-right-turn/>
>> <https://www.politico.eu/article/behind-the-dordognes-right-turn/>
>>
>> It has an average population density of 46 people per square kilometer,
>> spread over 9,000 square kilometers, and the ten largest towns range from
>> 4,000 to 30,000 in population.  GDPPP is EUR 26,000.  25% of the population
>> is under 30 years old.  There are 400,000 people in 190,000 households, or
>> 2.1 people per household.
>>
>> This compares with density of 118 per Km^2, GDPPP of EUR 40,000, and 35%
>> under age 30 for France overall, and density of 20,000 per Km^2, GDPPP of
>> EUR 65,000, and 38% under 30 for Paris.  So, the region has far lower
>> density than average, less money, and people are older on average.
>> Politics are more right-wing, and the sense (generally correct) in most of
>> France is that significant infrastructure projects are reserved for Paris,
>> while the rest of the country limps along behind at some years of remove.
>>
>> A typical town looks like this:
>>
>> [image: PastedGraphic-1.png]
>>
>> Five hundred people spread in a 500m radius around a road intersection,
>> with neighboring similar-sized towns three or four kilometers down each of
>> those roads in a relatively dense mesh.
>>
>> If Jay’s 25km estimate is accurate, that means his network is covering
>> 20% of the region.  If the population were spread evenly, that would be
>> 80,000 people within his service region, in 38,000 households.  The fact
>> that he mentions 200 families suggests to me that his network is in parts
>> of Dordogne that are more rural than average, since it would be very
>> difficult to maintain a network at only half-a-percent of homes passed.  So
>> I’m guessing it doesn’t include any of those towns of thousands of people,
>> and is mostly made up of farms and the more typical villages of hundred, or
>> hamlets of dozens of people.
>>
>> There are no IXPs currently in Dordogne.  In France, there are seventeen
>> IXes, with five in Paris and two in Marseille.  The nearest IXPs to
>> Dordogne are seven peers in Pau, 260km to the SSW, and thirteen peers in
>> Toulouse, 200km to the SSE.  The dense peering of Paris and Marseille are
>> each 500km away, in different directions.
>>
>> As a point of comparison, my family is from Montana, a similarly rural
>> area of the U.S., with a population density of 2.7 per square kilometer,
>> GDPPP of $45k (EUR 42,000), with towns spaced more like 25km apart.
>> Montana has two IXPs, and is 1,800km from the larger IXPs of Chicago and
>> the San Francisco Bay Area, and 1,300km from Seattle.  I mention this
>> because people frequently think “no, the population density is too low
>> where I live, I have to backhaul to a big city far away."
>>
>> Anyway, we look forward to seeing whoever can make it on the call
>> tomorrow.  Bring your questions and arguments!  :-)
>>
>>                                 -Bill
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