[NNagain] Spam filtering

Sun Apr 6 06:23:28 EDT 2025

Thank you very much for this, Daniel. Safe travels, and enjoy your trip. I
hope to do it one day as well, to commemorate Dave (and I need to do a lot
of other things we were planning to do together, like to attend SpaceX
launch etc.)

Here is a reminder of Dave's Amtrak trip, if you want to refresh you memory
or missed it back then, in 2023:
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/nnagain/2023-October/000286.html

Dave was heading to Netdev 0x17 <https://netdevconf.info/0x17/> in
Vancouver. His talks and music from the event, if anyone is interested, can
be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9RGX6QFm5E and
https://youtu.be/rWnb543Sdk8?si=9LAEGpfBo2M5RX9X&t=2599

All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:21 AM Daniel Ezell <dezell at stonescry.com> wrote:

> Taking the Coast Starlight tonight. Wanted to compare notes with Dave
> about it. Sad to have missed the opportunity. So this trip is a memorial to
> a great guy I never got to meet.
> Daniel Ezell
>
> On Oct 28, 2023, at 3:51 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> 
> I just can't even. So many garbage ideas out of Brussels as of late. DSA,
> DMA, DSM... GDPR in the past, or even that horrible CRA = Cyber Resilience
> Act:
>
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/10/the-eus-proposed-cyber-resilience-act-will-damage-the-open-source-ecosystem/
> https://blog.nlnetlabs.nl/open-source-software-vs-the-cyber-resilience-act/
>
> Good intentions don't count, bad results do. Most of the evil in this
> world was done by people with good intentions and this is not an exception.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
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>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 1:45 AM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
> nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:23 PM Nathan Simington via Nnagain
>> <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover.
>> Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered
>> by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend
>> -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.
>>
>> This is one of those things that could be reversed if there was law
>> guaranteeing  freedom of communications. That really does not seem to
>> be the way the world is going, however.
>>
>> See: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ for example.
>>
>> I like email (and netnews). You had a copy, the recipients had copies,
>> and pretty much anyone that had the capability of snooping in-between
>> had copies.  Nobody ever got arround to making starttls mandatory.
>> Compare this to all the even more centralized, but incompatible chat
>> systems since, multiple ones that have vanished from the web (g+), and
>> others that are barely hanging on, like disquis.
>>
>> Even with the flight to mastodon and other heavily encrypted home
>> server technologies, email remains the most common, useful and
>> malleable public identifier for connecting people to people. I would
>> like to make it better, for everyone, again.
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <
>> nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [Was Amtrack]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is
>> vanishing into
>> >> > spam boxes.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the
>> years
>> >> > not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly
>> to
>> >> > communicate?
>> >>
>> >> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network
>> geeks have
>> >> done.
>> >>
>> >> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
>> >>
>> >> Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with
>> (in)security -- a
>> >> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
>> >>
>> >> The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for
>> your
>> >> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host...,
>> means that
>> >> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
>> >>
>> >> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam
>> friendly ISP.
>> >>  Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few
>> ISPs that
>> >> host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.
>> Would a
>> >> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model
>> seems to be
>> >> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show
>> them more
>> >> ads.  Gues what does that?
>> >>
>> >> Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay
>> for the
>> >> disruption caused by bogus information.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
>> >>
>> >>
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