<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>We don’t really need to look that far to understand the risks — all you need to do is look at the “zero rate” plans that Facebook and Google rolled out in countries outside the US, where heavily discounted plans provided free access exclusively to their services, and charging only to reach other Internet destinations.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, at 08:30, Andy Ringsmuth via Nnagain wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 8:34 PM, dan via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> I think a big problem with Net Neutrality is it's sort of a topic for providers and not for end users. Most end users have no concept of what it is, why it's good or bad, and if they have a compliant service or not. They confuse 'speed' with packet loss and latency.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Except that’s not true. During the Obama years when this was being talked about, TPTB (the powers that be) were able to get a significant number of end users all whipped into a frenzy over it, legitimately or not, and it was being hammered all over the media and social networks.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Agreed, end users don’t generally understand it on a technical level or the nuances of implementing it and all that, but boy can they be vocal about it. It VERY QUICKLY delved into “Waaahhh, we need it because Trump will take away CNN!!!” or “Waahhhh, we need it because Biden will take away Fox News!!!"<br></div><div><br></div><div>----<br></div><div>Andy Ringsmuth<br></div><div>5609 Harding Drive<br></div><div>Lincoln, NE 68521-5831<br></div><div>(402) 202-1230<br></div><div><a href="mailto:andy@andyring.com">andy@andyring.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andy@andyring.com">andy@andyring.com</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>“A private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army. We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” -Thomas Jefferson<br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Nnagain mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net">Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>