<div dir="ltr">+1<br><div>v</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 3:22 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:21 AM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via<br>
Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> ➔➔<a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716558844384379163" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716558844384379163</a><br>
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Leaving aside the rhetoric, I believe the majority of these claims on<br>
this part of his post:<br>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716884139226329512" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716884139226329512</a><br>
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to be true. Any one question this?<br>
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I do wish that he showed upload speeds, and latency under load, and,<br>
acknowledged some mistakes, at least, and did not claim perfect<br>
success. Also individual states had stepped up to institute their own<br>
rules, and I would love to see a comparison of those stats vs those<br>
that didn´t.<br>
<br>
The COVID thing I am most fiercely proud of, as an engineer, is we<br>
took an internet only capable of postage stamp 5 frame per sec[1]<br>
videoconferencing to something that the world, as a whole, relied on<br>
to keep civilization running only 7 years later, in the face of<br>
terrible odds, lights out environments, scarce equipment supplies, and<br>
illness. ISPs big and small helped too - Their people climbed towers,<br>
produced better code, rerouted networks, and stayed up late fighting<br>
off DDOSes. People at home shared their wifi and knowledge of how to<br>
make fiddly things on the net work well, over the internet -<br>
<br>
Nobody handed out medals for keeping the internet running, I do not<br>
remember a single statement of praise for what we did over that<br>
terrible time. No one ever looks up after a productive day after a<br>
zillion productive clicks and says (for one example) "Thank you Paul<br>
Vixie and Mokapetris for inventing DNS and Evan Hunt(bind) and Simon<br>
Kelly(dnsmasq) for shipping dns servers for free that only get it<br>
wrong once in a while, and then recover so fast you don´t notice" -<br>
there are just endless complaints from those for whom it is not<br>
working *right now* the way they expect.<br>
<br>
There are no nobel prizes for networking. But the scientists,<br>
engineers, sysadmins and SREs kept improving things, and are keeping<br>
civilization running. It is kind of a cause for me - I get very irked<br>
at both sides whining when if only they could walk a mile in a<br>
neteng´s shoes. I get respect from my neighbors at least, sometimes<br>
asked to fix a laptop or set up a router... and I still share my wifi.<br>
<br>
If there was just some way to separate out the ire about other aspects<br>
of how the internet is going south (which I certainly share), and<br>
somehow put respect for those in the trenches that work on keeping the<br>
Net running, back in the public conversation, I would really love to<br>
hear it.<br>
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[1] Really great talk on networking by Van Jacobson in 2012, both<br>
useful for its content, and the kind of quality we could only achieve<br>
then: <a href="https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129</a><br>
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