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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Sebastian
Moeller via Nnagain<br>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 6:15 AM<br>
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this
time!<br>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller<br>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi Jason,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 08:54, Livingood, Jason via Nnagain
<nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Would love to spend some time thinking together about what a
smart manufacturing system would look like in terms of connectivity, latency,
compute availability, anything that occurs to you. I know a guy who does devops
for factories, and he has amazing stories -- might be good to make that
connection as well. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> One of the L4S (low latency, low loss, scalable throughput) demos
that Nokia did at a recent IETF hackathon showed a simulated 5G access network
to do low latency remote control of cranes in an industrial port facility. It
seemed like one of their points was that you could remotely operate cargo
container movements with the crane via a remote workforce over a low delay
network connection - even with fairly limited bandwidth (they’d adjust the
throughput down to just a few hundred kbps).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> While they did not say much more, I could envision a port operator
being able to gain more efficiency by enabling a skilled operator to control
cranes at several ports around the world on an as-needed basis (vs. being based
in 1 port and having some downtime or low utilization of their
skills/training), even from the comfort of home.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> I would stop doing business with such ports... there clearly are
accidents (or sabotage/jamming) just waiting to happen using wireless
connections for such use-cases... Yes, I understand that that is what Nokia
sells, so everything looks like a nail to them, but really "caveat
emptor", just because something can be done does not mean it should be
done as well... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Sebastian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;background:yellow'>P.S.: Currently in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> for a conference, getting
reminded how shitty GSM/LTE can be, heck the conference WiFi (with 25K attendees)
is more responsive than GSM... I am sure 5G might be better, but my phone is
LTE only...</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[RR] Welcome to the
“club”! We in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
have been dealing with this for over 30 years … why you ask???? ... answer … CDMA
and the IPR behind it! It was and still is “all about the money!”. My phone
has 5G and when download rates plummet to the floor, all I have to do is look
at the top of the display, and lo and behold … I’m on 5G!!! If you believe 5G
is going to be better, I have a bridge for you that “is going to be soooo much
better” </span></font></i></b><b><i><font face=Wingdings><span
style='font-family:Wingdings;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>JJJ</span></font><o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>RR<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Jason<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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