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Interesting! I noticed that participants are limited to
receive-only, with only one able to speak at any time. From the
guide:<br>
<br>
"The general expectation is that participants will send audio or
video <i>only</i> when recognized by a session chair as part of the
queue."<br>
<br>
That seems rather different from a virtual meeting in which hearty
discussions, arguments, interruptions, whispered side-discussions,
and such could approximate an in-person meeting. It seems more like
an audience watching a series of remote presentations than a forum
for discussions and debates, hallway encounters, and such. <br>
<br>
If that's a "remote experience as good as possible", what are the
limiting factor(s) preventing a richer form of interactions? Is
it IETF policy, unwritten software, inadequate network performance,
or ???<br>
<br>
Are there any measurements taken? Do the remote participants feel
that they can participate as well as if they were onsite? Does the
experience vary depending on how remote you are from the meeting
venue? How does the network bandwidth and delay behave during
meetings?<br>
<br>
Jack Haverty<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/14/23 12:52, Livingood, Jason
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<p class="MsoNormal">> And IIRC during covid, didn't the
IETF do online only meetings?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Yes, we
did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with
701 remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until
March 2022 when we started having in-person again – and
since that time they have been hybrid (and will continue
to be so). The IETF also invested quite a lot in <a
href="https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/technology/meetecho-guide-participant/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
online meeting tools</a> & supporting systems to try
to make the remote experience as good as possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 118<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November
04-10, 2023, Prague, Czech Republic & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1067
onsite attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">739 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 117<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July
22-28, 2023, San Francisco, California & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">890 onsite
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">544 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 116<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March
25-31, 2023, Yokohama, Japan & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">993 onsite
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">594 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 115<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November
5-11, 2022, London, UK & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">849 onsite
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">667 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 114<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July
23-29, 2022, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">618 onsite
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">675 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 113<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March
19-25, 2022, Vienna, Austria & Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">314 onsite
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">976 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November
08-12, 2021, Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1177
remote attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 111<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July
26-30, 2021, Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1206
remote attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 110<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March
8-12, 2021, Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1177
remote attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 109<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November
16-20, 2020, Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1061
remote attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 108<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July
27-31, 2020, Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1102
remote attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 107<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March
23-27, 2020, Virtual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">701 remote
attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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