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{page:WordSection1;}</style></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">The hackathon element requires in person with equipment. So there's that too.<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On Nov 15, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Interesting! I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only, with only one able to speak at any time. From the guide:
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"The general expectation is that participants will send audio or video <i>only</i> when recognized by a session chair as part of the queue."
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That seems rather different from a virtual meeting in which hearty discussions, arguments, interruptions, whispered side-discussions, and such could approximate an in-person meeting. It seems more like an audience watching a series of remote presentations than a forum for discussions and debates, hallway encounters, and such.
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If that's a "remote experience as good as possible", what are the limiting factor(s) preventing a richer form of interactions? Is it IETF policy, unwritten software, inadequate network performance, or ???
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Are there any measurements taken? Do the remote participants feel that they can participate as well as if they were onsite? Does the experience vary depending on how remote you are from the meeting venue? How does the network bandwidth and delay behave during meetings?
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On 11/14/23 12:52, Livingood, Jason wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal">> And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings?<br><br></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Yes, we did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with 701 remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until March 2022 when we started having in-person again – and since that time they have been hybrid (and will continue to be so). The IETF also invested quite a lot in <a href="https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/technology/meetecho-guide-participant/" moz-do-not-send="true"> online meeting tools</a> & supporting systems to try to make the remote experience as good as possible. </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 118</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November 04-10, 2023, Prague, Czech Republic & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1067 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">739 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 117</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July 22-28, 2023, San Francisco, California & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">890 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">544 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 116</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March 25-31, 2023, Yokohama, Japan & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">993 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">594 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 115</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November 5-11, 2022, London, UK & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">849 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">667 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 114</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July 23-29, 2022, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">618 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">675 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 113</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March 19-25, 2022, Vienna, Austria & Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">314 onsite attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">976 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 112</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November 08-12, 2021, Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1177 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 111</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July 26-30, 2021, Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1206 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 110</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March 8-12, 2021, Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1177 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 109</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">November 16-20, 2020, Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1061 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 108</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">July 27-31, 2020, Online</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">1102 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">IETF 107</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">March 23-27, 2020, Virtual</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">701 remote attendees</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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