<div><div dir="ltr">Sorry to digress even further, but I love bridges and this is such an amazing brochure, about bridges over Hudson in New York State 😇<div><br></div><div><a href="https://nysba.ny.gov" target="_blank">https://nysba.ny.gov</a> - should be accessible here, but can't open it now...which is strange.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><img src="cid:18bda293ab5302878201" style="max-width: 100%;"></div><br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>All the best,</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Frank<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Frantisek (Frank) Borsik<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">iMessage, mobile: +420775230885<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Skype: casioa5302ca<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="mailto:frantisek.borsik@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">frantisek.borsik@gmail.com</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 6:40 PM Dick Roy via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma" style="font-family:Tahoma;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma" style="font-family:Tahoma;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Nnagain
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:Tahoma">nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>] <b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">On Behalf Of </span></b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Nnagain<br>
<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 16, 2023
9:21 AM<br>
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<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">Cc:</span></b> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br>
<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NNagain] The rise
and fall of the 90's telecom bubble</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Hello all,<br>
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I have watched this discussion flourish but don't quite understand the issues
with 3G, 4G/LTE and 5G which you are relating here.<br>
It seems to me more a problem of the carrier you are using than the technology
itself as I have been in plenty of locations in the world with blazingly fast
LTE and now 5G.<font style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:navy"><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><i><font size="2" face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">[RR] If you have a concrete definition of “5G”,
I’d love to hear it. Here in the <u style="font-family:Arial"></u><u style="font-family:Arial"></u>US<u style="font-family:Arial"></u><u style="font-family:Arial"></u>, 5G is nothing more than hype at
present, which is exactly why the carriers are “giving it away for free”.
It’s really hard to sell “vaporware” to a discerning public.
Just look at the class action lawsuit filed by Koreans against all the major Korean
carriers for false advertising on their “5G” rollouts! <u style="font-family:Arial"></u><u style="font-family:Arial"></u></span></font></i></b></p>
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And then, what does this have to do with Network Neutrality? <font style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:navy"><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><i><font size="2" face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">[RR] Yes, we digressed on this thread </span></font></i></b><b><i><font size="2" face="Wingdings" style="font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">JJJ</span></font></i></b><b><i><font size="2" face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy"><u style="font-family:Arial"></u><u style="font-family:Arial"></u></span></font></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Excuse my confusion but I
just cannot put 2 and 2 together.<font style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:navy"><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><i><font size="2" face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">[RR] It’s because of the units problem
… hard to “add apples and oranges” as we say!<u style="font-family:Arial"></u><u style="font-family:Arial"></u></span></font></i></b></p>
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Olivier<u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 16/11/2023 18:02, Dick Roy via Nnagain wrote:<u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></p>
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Moeller [<a href="mailto:moeller0@gmx.de" target="_blank" style="font-family:Tahoma">mailto:moeller0@gmx.de</a>] <br>
<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 16, 2023
3:02 AM<br>
<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">To:</span></b> Network Neutrality is back!
Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!; Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain;
Dick Roy<br>
<b style="font-family:Tahoma"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Tahoma">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NNagain] The rise
and fall of the 90's telecom bubble</span></font><u></u><u></u><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Update, mmmh,<br>
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Virginia is apparently not only for 'lovers' but also for LTE, along the trip
with the silver line to Dulles, my phone reported 4G, aka LTE, while in downtown
DC EDGE-only it was...<u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u><u style="font-family:"Times New Roman""></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><font size="2" face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">[RR] You are really lucky! It could have said
“5G” in which case you’d have been down to 19kbps 1980 modem
rates! </span></font></i></b><b><i><font size="2" face="Wingdings" style="font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(0,0,128)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;color:navy">JJ</span></font></i></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" style="font-family:"Times New Roman";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 14 November 2023 13:06:39 CET, Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain <a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net></a>
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<div><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Hi Richard,<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
<blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 6pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(114,159,207)">
<div><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u>On Nov 13, 2023, at 16:08, Dick Roy via Nnagain <a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New""><nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-----Original Message-----<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">From: Nnagain [<a href="mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>] On Behalf Of Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 6:15 AM<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Cc: Sebastian Moeller<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Subject: Re: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Hi Jason,<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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<div><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">On Nov 13, 2023, at 08:54, Livingood, Jason via Nnagain <a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New""><nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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<div><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Would love to spend some time thinking together about what a smart manufacturing system would look like in terms of connectivity, latency, compute availability, anything that occurs to you. I know a guy who does devops for factories, and he has amazing stories -- might be good to make that connection as well. <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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<div><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">One of the L4S (low latency, low loss, scalable throughput) demos that Nokia did at a recent IETF hackathon showed a simulated 5G access network to do low latency remote control of cranes in an industrial port facility. It seemed like one of their points was that you could remotely operate cargo container movements with the crane via a remote workforce over a low delay network connection - even with fairly limited bandwidth (they’d adjust the throughput down to just a few hundred kbps).<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">While they did not say much more, I could envision a port operator being able to gain more efficiency by enabling a skilled operator to control cranes at several ports around the world on an as-needed basis (vs. being based in 1 port and having some downtime or low utilization of their skills/training), even from the comfort of home.<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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<div><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> I would stop doing business with such ports... there clearly are accidents (or sabotage/jamming) just waiting to happen using wireless connections for such use-cases... Yes, I understand that that is what Nokia sells, so everything looks like a nail to them, but really "caveat emptor", just because something can be done does not mean it should be done as well... <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Regards<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Sebastian<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">P.S.: Currently in the <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u>US<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> for a conference, getting reminded how shitty GSM/LTE can be, heck the conference WiFi (with 25K attendees) is more responsive than GSM... I am sure 5G might be better, but my phone is LTE only...<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">[RR] Welcome to the “club”! We in the <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u>US<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> have been dealing with this for over 30 years … why you ask???? ... answer … CDMA and the IPR behind it! It was and still is “all about the money!”. My phone has 5G and when download rates plummet to the floor, all I have to do is look at the top of the display, and lo and behold … I’m on 5G!!! If you believe 5G is going to be better, I have a bridge for you that “is going to be soooo much better” JJJ<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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(but truth be told, when I bought this phone I did not pay much attention to which bands it was suited for, it is not impossible that it at least partly my phone's fault that I am connecting with EDGE speeds, quite the throw-back to the 2000s ;) but back then EDGE was indeed cutting edge). <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">About that bridge, I hope this is in NY city?<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Regards<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Sebastian<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre><pre style="margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:monospace"><font size="2" face="Courier New" style="font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></font></pre></div>
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