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Thanks for your comments. I agree that there is much ahead to study about the effects of on-line communication and to improve them.</div>
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I have attached a copy of the paper as I think you indicated it was difficult to find.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 16, 2023 4:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hirsch, Joy <joy.hirsch@yale.edu>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> separable processes for live in-person and live zoom-like faces</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Dear Joy:<br>
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good paper that extends the idea of zoom fatigue into something closer<br>
to zoom-induced somnolence. Thanks for doing this kind of detailed<br>
measurements!<br>
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I would be very interested in a study of brain activity while varying<br>
latency alone as the variable for videoconferencing. One being say, a<br>
live video feed between the participants (0 latency) vs zoom (at<br>
500ms), or with one jittering around, or one at, say 60ms vs 500ms. I<br>
tend to be much happier after a day using "galene.org" which tries for<br>
minimum latency than zoom, and still find my ability to interact<br>
quickly across a dinner table hard to get into after too many hours on<br>
it. Are y'all pursuing further studies?<br>
<br>
The link to the paper is mildly puzzling in that the token is<br>
required, and I am assuming that perhaps it is generating a<br>
watermarked version differently on every download?<br>
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