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<p class="MsoNormal">Doubtful; latency is just emerging as a new competitive factor – like throughput. I also think – if we care about reducing latency – we should embrace whatever works well and achieves scale (Betamax vs VHS). <span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😉</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 11, 2023 at 04:39<br>
<b>To: </b>Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Frank Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Sauli Kiviranta via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>I find it alarming for the future of internet that there is a trend to<br>use elbowing techniques to squeeze metrics out at the expense of all<br>other flows. We know that when nobody plays fair the arms race ends<br>badly.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Sauli<br><br>On 12/10/23, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about general public, really<br> - it’s an article in The Verge :-)<br><br> But yeah. Here’s something they should address:<br><br> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/heistp/l4s-tests*key-findings__;Iw!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt_Jjdven$" target="_blank">https://github.com/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings</a><br><br> In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a biggest L4S<br> problem:<br> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt5RQfEuC$" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX</a><br><br><br><br><br> All the best,<br><br> Frank<br> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik<br><br> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt24e-KKI$" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik</a><br> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714<br> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885<br> Skype: casioa5302ca<br> <a href="mailto:frantisek.borsik@gmail.com" target="_blank">frantisek.borsik@gmail.com</a><br><br><br> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain <<br> <a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> About L4S<br><br> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-speed-bandwidth__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GwQbx9aZkco3K1qGFRsxRUzv1OhKS4Z_VrLHVujgUUvBPCyE0d0IbvZ4TLUixlfHEGkYd3JYZR-qh71u3oORLkrnt4RcaVq3$" target="_blank">https://www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-speed-bandwidth</a><br><br> It says something about their target audience that they feel they need to<br> explain bytes vs bits.<br><br> Thanks,<br> --MM--<br> Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force<br> to apply it to others.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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