<div dir="ltr">and in other news today: <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/15/google_monopoly_fix/">https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/15/google_monopoly_fix/</a><div><br></div><div>I kind of wish would-be regulators to try and block google IPs and see how good their web experience is - everything from fonts to css leads back to goog. I am reminded of the bell telephone breakup where folk still didn't have touchtone...</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 8:58 AM Sebastian Moeller <<a href="mailto:moeller0@gmx.de">moeller0@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Dave,<br>
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On 15 August 2024 16:16:52 CEST, Dave Taht via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>Perhaps it would have been better to say that "one of the sites I read<br>
>regularly just put out an update on it." :)<br>
><br>
>I like to think that <a href="http://bufferbloat.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bufferbloat.net</a>'s NOI filing did a bit of good,<br>
>getting cited 16 times, but not changing the top level conclusions one<br>
>iota. Doing another one this year is on my mind in followup, but aside from<br>
>harping on our latency points, <br>
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[SM] So I believe/think that we need (or rather I need to convince my National Regulatory Agency that mandating a OWD to a national reference point <150ms, so an RTT <= 300ms) some clear study showing the effect of loaded latency/jitter on some measurable variable of obvious relevance. That is, I think we should make a scientifically backed claim that shitty latency causes shitty productivity. We as a group IMHO intuitively seem to accept that as a given (based on some evidence), but to convince regulators we need better examples then e.g. L4S' on-line switching between different live camera feeds, or showing that page completion time scales linearly with latency...<br>
Stuart's, remote desktop example might serve as good starting point, if we can show that productivity suffers significantly as a function of latency and jitter. I mention abstract productivity simply because I believe making remote work more efficient would be a case in the public's interest and hence might catch the regulator's attention.<br>
So if anybody on this list has an idea for an experiment or better yet an already existing paper describing such an experiment, that would be great.<br>
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pointing to progress, and the need for more<br>
>IXPs, I don't know what top level items could be addressed, again? I'd have<br>
>to buckle down and re-read what resonated, and what didn't.<br>
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>Perhaps something might come out of the DNC?<br>
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>I have been enjoying Carr's negative posts on BEAD, but there must be some<br>
>bright news in that program somewhere by now?<br>
><br>
>I am perhaps reading too much into it, but with a potentially younger crowd<br>
>moving into office, perhaps more technical clue is arriving? I'm very happy<br>
>to see mudge make CIO at darpa. The white house got a cto yet? The FCC?<br>
><br>
>PS Ms Shotwell did a great fireside chat at Mountain Connect:<br>
><a href="https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-community-events/shotwell" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-community-events/shotwell</a><br>
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>On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 6:27 AM Livingood, Jason <<br>
><a href="mailto:jason_livingood@comcast.com" target="_blank">jason_livingood@comcast.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> I would say it is not “back” in the news – it has continuously been in the<br>
>> news since the Loper Bright SCOTUS ruling that impacts “Chevron deference”<br>
>> as well the major questions doctrine issue raised in W VA vs EPA. As many<br>
>> people have long said, this will be tied up in the courts for several<br>
>> years.<br>
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>> Personal take – in the long-term it will be better to have legislation<br>
>> that codifies this (as well as a national cross-sector privacy law).<br>
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>> JL<br>
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>> *From: *Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> on behalf of Dave<br>
>> Taht via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
>> *Reply-To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects<br>
>> heard this time! <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
>> *Date: *Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 07:41<br>
>> *To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard<br>
>> this time! <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
>> *Cc: *Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> *Subject: *[NNagain] nn back in the news<br>
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>> <a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!FPiUKVoVIIjDuEAjFeVX-ISnAeSb8gI7-H-8Pg5UvZVEuC6YaYS0X8k4cHM4F-i7JjIAMB_2uKpV5QLmf8MbXIx1fORtlGxN$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!FPiUKVoVIIjDuEAjFeVX-ISnAeSb8gI7-H-8Pg5UvZVEuC6YaYS0X8k4cHM4F-i7JjIAMB_2uKpV5QLmf8MbXIx1fORtlGxN$</a>><br>
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>> --<br>
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>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11</div><div><a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287" target="_blank">https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287</a><br></div><div>Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos<br></div></div></div>