<div dir="ltr"><div>I think that top level items you have mentioned, Dave, for kicking-off a follow-up NOI filling: "harping on our latency points, pointing to progress, and the need for more IXPs" are MORE than enough for starters. There are some improvements on the latency front (notably Starlink's implemenation of FQ-CoDel) so it's a good set of points to start with, IMO.</div><div>______________</div><div><br></div>I have returned from Africa yesterday, where I was attending <a href="https://safnog.org">MwNOG-1 and SAFNOG-9</a> in Lilongwe, Malawi. Imagine a country of almost 22 million people, having opened up ONLY its 2nd IXP, a few days ago: <a href="https://lionex.org">https://lionex.org</a>. Literally anyone and their mother, with any means at our hands, should offer them some kind of help. There was a nice development during the event - a pledge by MACRA: Malawi Communications Regulator Authority, to open up the 3rd IXP in Malawi, this time in the city of Mzuzu, their third biggest city, with an important university: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7229821715822899200/">https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7229821715822899200/</a><div><br></div><div>I don't want to hijack this thread, but if there is someone here from IXP world, willing to explore ways how to help Malawi, please - contact me privately here or on LinkedIn and I will connect you with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-munyao-longwe-25432/">Brian Munyao Longwe</a> - he and quite a lot of amazing people around him, are getting things done down there in Malawi and I'm so thankful for a chance to see that. By any means, feel free to contact him directly if you want to: <a href="mailto:brian@ctnmw.net">brian@ctnmw.net</a></div><div><br></div><div>_______________</div><div><br></div><div>Getting back on track: I recall Paul Vixie mentioning PAIX somewhere on LinkedIn this week - couldn't find it today, so I was just searching the Internet and found this: <a href="https://www.enog.org/presentations/enog-2/12-2011-11-28-paix-history.pdf">https://www.enog.org/presentations/enog-2/12-2011-11-28-paix-history.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>Isn't there a time to try it again? Or something similar, for that matter? Lots of things has changed - a global level of understanding of IXP importance, for example...</div><div>I mean, even with a current uptake in installation we can see at <a href="https://libreqos.io">https://libreqos.io</a>, with what Preseem, Cambium Networks QoE, Paraqum and Bequant are doing with QoE middle-boxes as force multipliers to fix latency, IXP component is badly needed.</div><div><br></div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>All the best,</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Frank<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Frantisek (Frank) Borsik<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">iMessage, mobile: +420775230885<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Skype: casioa5302ca<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href="mailto:frantisek.borsik@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">frantisek.borsik@gmail.com</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 8:06 PM Jack Haverty via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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IMHO, educating politicians and regulators is difficult but
necessary. Latency is an important and overlooked component of
"broadband service", not included in the definition of such
"service". But there are others that might also catch their
attention.<br>
<br>
I live in an area in California where wildfires are an issue. My
location officially has broadband service, according to the FCC
databases. I get IP through cable, provided by Comcast. The IP{
service is fast and latency hasn't been an issue for me.<br>
<br>
The government (state, local, and federal) have all spent a lot of
money and effort to put technology in place to mitigate the risks
of wildfire and other such natural risks, to help keep the public
safe. That's their job. We have sensors and cameras that spot
smoke columns or seismic events. We have apps and communications
channels that spread the word fast, so that people can get out of
harm's way. The Internet has made quite a difference by providing
the infrastructure to make such safety mechanisms possible. (See
<a href="http://app.watchduty.org" target="_blank">app.watchduty.org</a> for an example)<br>
<br>
The local electric utility has also implemented mechanisms to avoid
causing wildfires. When it's dry and windy, and therefore the risks
of a falling tree limb starting a fire are high, they simply shut
off the power to the area. When the risk is over, they turn power
back on. It might be a day or two, but while the risks are high, a
fire won't be started by the electric grid. Many people have
installed generators to keep essential things going in their
homes. The electric utility is even offering subsidies for people
to buy such equipment.<br>
<br>
However... <br>
<br>
Comcast relies on the electric grid for power. Some areas have
equipment with backup battery power, but that only works for an hour
or two. After that, communications shuts down - in my neighborhood
that means telephone, TV, and Internet all cease to work. All of
the information from those sensors, cameras, and emergency service
agencies doesn't get to us, the public it's supposed to help.<br>
<br>
Despite that behavior, officially the database says we have
broadband service available. It of course is available, most of the
time. It turns off when you need it the most.<br>
<br>
Thinking techologically for a bit, the problem is a lot like
Latency. Latency is not specified in the definition of "broadband
service". Neither is "Reliability".<br>
<br>
I've filed a "challenge" to my own database entry, pointing out that
we don't actually have reliable broadband service. Even if, over a
month or so, the service is 99.xxx% "up", that's not much help if
it's down when you actually need it the most. The definition of
"reliable" needs to be revised.<br>
<br>
I don't expect any action from my challenge as just a lone voice in
the crowd.<br>
<br>
Perhaps educating the politicians and regulators about reliability
would grab some attention. It might be a bit easier to understand
than just "latency".<br>
<br>
Jack Haverty<br>
Nevada City, CA<br>
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