[Rpm] solved for "tens of thousands of people".

[Christoph Paasch]

Hi Dave!

You are absolutely right! We will change this (https://github.com/network-quality/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness/issues/20)


Christoph

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm <rpm at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to offer a small correction to the current RPM abstract,
> uploaded a few days ago:
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-01.html
> 
> Millions. 3m at free alone had fq_codel on their DSL. comcast is..
> however many docsis 3.1 modems have deployed (millions) ? eero and
> everyone shipping qcom wifi chips is ? gfiber's deployment? the entire
> 3rd party firewall and router market (?) those are just the easier to
> count numbers off the top of my head. Sure, in terms of postings and
> individual interactions visible on the web in the latter case it
> doesn't seem like a lot, but I figure the existing documentation and
> user base is 1000x that....
> 
> so... millions.
> 
> If you want to also count in the upgrades in bandwidth in the last 10
> years, another accomplishment, I think, was most of that bandwidth was
> added without misguided increases in buffering, without our
> fancy-schmancy algorithms needed, so that was many more millions. If
> you want to think about server side, bbr, tsq, bql, packet pacing...
> decreases.
> 
> So a small change in language perhaps?
> 
> "semi-solved for millions of people"?
> 
> Certainly wifi and lte suck the most of what's left to fix. I
> generally say there's a billion routers left to upgrade.
> 
> One of the fantasy numbers that has kept me going for all these years
> of living on top ramen was that if aqm and fq technologies I'd worked
> on primarily... saved X users 1 second/day of waiting on the internet.
> Say X is 10m today, that's 115 days/day and depending on how you want
> to calculate that in terms of man years or time spent on the internet,
> call it 400 man years per year. Not like any of us can go cash a check
> on that karmic bank but, it's comforting.
> 
> (have a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMG1wKpDT38 )
> 
> I tend to think that smashing latencies all through the stack affected
> pretty much the whole internet's responsiveness - that and optimizing
> web pages, cdns, etc, etc, also saved people a lot of time on waiting
> on the internet. And along the way we made webrtc go from postage
> stamp 2 frames per second in 2012 to all of civilization managing to
> cope with working from home during covid. Imagine, covid-2012?
> 
> I've never come up with a number for annoying people less...
> 
> Blocking ads is still effective for saving time however, another
> annoyance that's cropped up in the last few years is the teaser
> paragraph and then
> the demand to turn off advertising on a per site basis. I wish there
> was a plugin for a browser that blocked content from paywall demanding
> sites.
> I'm glad I can pay google/pandora/netflix 10 bucks a month for
> streaming services without ads.
> 
> Anyway, just the deployed aqm/fq solutions alone are in the 10s of
> millions, IMHO. Just working so well for those using them that they
> never noticed.
> 
> -- 
> Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw
> 
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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