<div dir="ltr">I can imagine the end-to-end latency is something they might not want to talk about. I'm saying this in the context of the english speaking world and transit times from AU and NZ to US, CA, UK.<br><br>Keep in mind that one-way, it's 35ms from Auckland to Los Angeles for those photons in a vacuum, slightly more in a strand of glass. <br><br>Cross-planet content really needs to be latency insensitive until we get some sort of FTL data streams lol.<br><br>But if you are stuck with 35ms across the ocean to the nearest english speaking country, it's even more important to have the last mile be as low latency as possible. <br><br>The 'content' can just be moved nearer, ie hulu and netflix and the like, but realtime coms with American has an extra 35ms and London 65ms one-way cost so you really can't afford to have 50ms to the end user on either side.<br><br> </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 6:17 PM Dick Roy via LibreQoS <<a href="mailto:libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net">libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6141359241894993465">
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">I’m not the expert in the room, however I find the report lacking in
one very important area. All these results on latencies, speed, etc., are
categorized based on users “first mile access” technology, leqding the reader
to believe the sole source of these numbrs is the “first mile” which of course
it is not. They do not address the as important issues of the rest of what’s
between “end-2-end”. Take a look at the gaming latency results, and you see
games hosted in <u></u>America<u></u> have
very high latencies for users in <u></u><u></u>New Zealand<u></u><u></u> … duhhhhhh! This can’t
be news. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">While not trivial by any means, what could/should be done to make these
data more useful for consumers is to figure out the effect of everything past
the “first mile/first hop” and break it out separately. That way, a
(moderately intelligent) user could make a reasonably informed cost-benefit
analysis on which combination of first mile technology and back-end service provider
to choose, assuming there were service providers that offered a choice of “first-mile’
access, or backhaul providers that served a variety of “first mile” providers. Guess
we’re a few years away from that </span></font><font face="Wingdings"><span style="font-family:Wingdings">J</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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From: Starlink [mailto:<a href="mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dave
Taht via Starlink<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:08 AM<br>
To: libreqos; Rpm; Dave Taht via Starlink<br>
Cc: Sam Crawford<br>
Subject: [Starlink] NZ latest latency report</span></font></p>
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">I do wish that it broke it out by provider, and recommended somehow to<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">those suffering still, install a better device... VDSL can be made<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">vastly more tolerable. Otherwise pretty good, and brings in<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt"><a href="https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320326/MBNZ-Autumn-Report-28-June-2023.pdf" target="_blank">https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320326/MBNZ-Autumn-Report-28-June-2023.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">To pick on samknows a little bit, I think the test does not run long<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">enough, and should be pulling from higher than what appears to be the<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="m_3777767157180276811MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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