[Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

Fri Dec 15 17:05:04 EST 2023

I surveyed some female telehealth providers. There are a lot of 
subtleties required to make telehealth work well for the providers. 
Their knowledge level is quite fascinating.

I don't see their voices here on these boards either. In education, the 
absence of something being taught is called the null curriculum. This 
group has a huge null curriculum w/respect to female voices - though 
that's my perspective.

https://www.ascd.org/el/articles/reimagining-the-null-curriculum

Bob
> why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services?
> 
> I've used it personally.
> 
> Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say that
> women have any particular advantage in moving the bits around that
> make telehealth possible.
> 
> David Lang
> 
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:
> 
>> Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth services. They 
>> are using broadband to care for our population. They also run most of 
>> the addiction services across our country, whatever the addiction may 
>> be. So gender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth 
>> doesn't work over LEO (nor does it matter much for men on boats.) Same 
>> for distance learning.
>> 
>> https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/women-more-likely-telehealth-patients-providers-covid-19-pandemic/608153/
>> 
>> As Washington considers which virtual care flexibilities should remain 
>> in place post-COVID-19, experts are flagging that paring back 
>> telehealth access and affordability will disproportionately affect 
>> women, even as a growing share of startups emerge to address women’s 
>> unique health needs.
>> 
>> While women are more likely than men to visit doctors and consume 
>> healthcare services in general, telehealth seems to be uniquely 
>> attractive to women.
>> 
>> Bob
>>> who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internet
>>> access? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have to do
>>> with shipping bits around?
>>> 
>>> Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to 
>>> get
>>> Internet service to everyone without having to run fiber to every
>>> house.
>>> 
>>> As for the parallels with rural electrification, if that problem were
>>> to be faced today, would the right answer be massive public agencies
>>> to build and run miles of wire from massive central power plants? or
>>> would the right answer be solar + batteries in individual houses for
>>> the most rural folks, with small modular reactors to power the larger
>>> population areas?
>>> 
>>> Just because there was only one way to achieve a goal in the past
>>> doesn't mean that approach is the best thing to do today.
>>> 
>>> David Lang
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for electricity 
>>>> decades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health and 
>>>> distance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to follow.
>>>> 
>>>> A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'm 
>>>> skeptical a patriarchy under Musk is even close to capable. We 
>>>> probably need a woman to lead us, or at least motivate us to do our 
>>>> best work for our country and to be an example to the world.
>>>> 
>>>> A Hill Country farm wife had to do her chores even if she was ill – 
>>>> no matter how ill. Because Hill Country women were too poor to 
>>>> afford proper medical care they often suffered perineal tears in 
>>>> childbirth. During the 1930s, the federal government sent physicians 
>>>> to examine a sampling of Hill Country women. The doctors found that, 
>>>> out of 275 women, 158 had perineal tears. Many of them, the team of 
>>>> gynecologists reported, were third-degree tears, “tears so bad that 
>>>> it is difficult to see how they stand on their feet.” But they were 
>>>> standing on their feet, and doing all the chores that Hill Country 
>>>> wives had always done – hauling the water, hauling the wood, 
>>>> canning, washing, ironing, helping with the shearing, the plowing 
>>>> and the picking.
>>>> 
>>>> Because there was no electricity.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Frantisek,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain 
>>>>>>> <nnagain at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of 
>>>>>>> satcom such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, 
>>>>>>> to overcome the 'tangled fiber' problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of 
>>>>>>> digital divide -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 	I beg to differ. Starlink is a commercial enterprise with the 
>>>>>> goal to make a profit by offering (usable) internet access 
>>>>>> essentially everywhere; it is not as far as I can tell an attempt 
>>>>>> at specifically reducing the digital divide (were often an 
>>>>>> important factor is not necessarily location but financial means).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Every Inernet company " commercial enterprise with the goal to make 
>>>>> a
>>>>> profit by offering (usable) internet" don't dismiss a company 
>>>>> because
>>>>> of that. Starlink (and the other Satellite ISPs) all exist to 
>>>>> service
>>>>> people who can't use traditional wired infrastructure
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> delivering internet to those 640k locations, where there is 
>>>>>>> literally none today. Fiber will NEVER get there. And it will get 
>>>>>>> there, it will be like 10 years down the road.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 	This is IHO the wrong approach to take. The goal needs to be a 
>>>>>> universal FTTH access network (with the exception of extreme 
>>>>>> locations, no need to pull fiber up to the highest Bivouac shelter 
>>>>>> on Mt. Whitney). And f that takes a decade or two, so be it, this 
>>>>>> is infrastructure that will keep on helping for many decades once 
>>>>>> rolled-out. However given that time frame one should consider 
>>>>>> work-arounds for the interim period. I would have naively thought 
>>>>>> starlink would qualify for that from a technical perspective, but 
>>>>>> then the FCC documents actually discussion requirements and how 
>>>>>> they were or were not met/promised by starlink was mostly 
>>>>>> redacted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> what do you consider 'extreme locations'? how long a run between
>>>>> houses is 'too far'?
>>>>> 
>>>>> we've seen the failure of commercial fiber monopolies in cities 
>>>>> with
>>>>> housing density of several houses per acre (and even where there 
>>>>> are
>>>>> apartment complexes there as well) because it's not profitable 
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> When you get into areas where it's 'how many acres per house' the 
>>>>> cost
>>>>> of running FTTH gets very high. I don't think this is the majority 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the population of the US any longer (but I don't know for sure), 
>>>>> but
>>>>> it's very clearly the majority of the area of the US. And once you 
>>>>> get
>>>>> out of the major metro areas, even getting fiber to every town or
>>>>> village becomes a major undertaking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is running fiber 30 miles to support a village of 700 people an
>>>>> 'extreme location'? let me introduce you to Vermontville MI
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan which is less
>>>>> than an hours drive from the state capitol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Lang
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