[Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

[David Fernández]

"lorawan will never get built out across the planet"

Well, roughtly 10% of the globe is covered by cellular connectivity. I
would not expect lorawan to get built across the planet, although
there are IoT via satellite companies, such as Lacuna Space, using
lorawan.

In the map of the Lorawan Alliance website it is indicated that there
are Lorawan networks all around the world.

The main issue with Lorawan seems to be interferences, due to the use
of unlicensed spectrum. NB-IoT does not have that problem and then it
is also the work of the operator all the maintenance to keep the
connectivity running.

Regards,

David

> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:40:30 -0700
> From: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com>
> To: dan <dandenson at gmail.com>
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>   > All of the states use cases are already handled by inexpensive
> lorawan
>> sensors and are already covered by multiple lorawan networks in NYC
>> and most urban centers in the US.  There is no need for a new
>> infrastructure, it’s already there.  Not to mention NBIoT/catm
>> radios.
>>
>> This is all just general cheapness and lack of liability keeping these
>> out of widespread deployment. It’s not lack of tech on the market
>> today.
>
> What is the footprint of lorawan networks and what's the velocity of
> growth? What's the cost per square foot both capex and operations,
> maintaining & monitoring lorawan? What's that compared to the WiFi
> install base, i.e. now we have train even installers and maintainers on
> purpose built technology vs just use what most people know because it's
> common? This all looks like ethernet, token ring, fddi, netbios, decnet,
> etc. where the single approach of IP over WiFi/ethernet with fiber
> fronthaul wave guides and backhauls' waveguides per the ISP seems the
> effective way forward. I don't think it's in society's interest to have
> so disparate networks technologies as we have learned from IP and the
> internet. My guess is lorawan will never get built out across the planet
> as has been done for IP. I can tell that every country is adopting IP
> because they're using a free IP tool to measure their networks.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf2/files/stats/map?dates=2014-02-06%20to%202023-03-18&period=daily
>
> Bob