[Starlink] Starlink hidden buffers

[Michael Richardson]

Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    > These are the biggest reliability reasons why I think FQ is *necessary*
    > across the edges of the internet.

It saved your bacon, but yeah, like all other resilient protocols (DNS,
Happy Eyeballs) tends to hide when one option is failing :-)

    > pure AQM, in the case above, since that flood was uncontrollable, would
    > have resulted in a 99.99% or so drop rate for all other traffic. While
    > that would have been easier to diagnose I suppose, the near term
    > outcome would have been quite damaging.

What this says is that fq_codel doesn't have enough management reporting
interfaces.   Going back 25 years, this has always been a problem with home
routers: ntop3 is great, but it's not easy to use, and it's not that
accessible, and it often can't see things that move around.

    > I always try to make a clear distinction between FQ and AQM techniques.
    > Both are useful and needed, for different reasons (but in the general
    > case, I think the DRR++ derived FQ in fq_codel is the cats pajamas, and
    > far more important than any form of AQM)

Could fq_codel emit flow statistics as a side-effect of it's classifications?

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