<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 24, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Nathan Owens <<a href="mailto:nathan@nathan.io" class="">nathan@nathan.io</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">*pre-ordered (so much confusion about this on Reddit)</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>One of the things we worked on in the make-wifi-fast project was combined power and rate control. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>My guess is that if all you want is 2Mbit service you can cut the power requirements enormously.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""> Might pull more in snow melt mode</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>One of my unanswered questions is how long does it take to power up and start transferring data?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’ve worked on linux fast boot (sub second boot times) - in the past. Most seem to have forgotten how to do that (sigh) and have boot times measured in minutes. One reason why I like openwrt so much is it boots in seconds - totally bound by the pathetically slow NAND or NOR chips other people insist on using still. With some work you can also get rid of the friggin bootloader, also.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>My initial model for the marine market and for one of my clients is very different from how most use the internet today as an always on service.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In this case I just need to get on a couple times a day, download my email, grab a few new music files, get the weather report, and get off. So I really don’t need all that much power for very long, except to surf the web briefly and make a ton of videoconference calls. An hour or two a day, tops.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’ve written a lot about “designing for the disconnect” in the past 4 decades and I really kind of hate the idea of the internet being an always-on drug. Here’s one old talk I gave in australia quite some time back about it.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2019/12/designing-for-disconnect.html" class="">http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2019/12/designing-for-disconnect.html</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>There’s another always-on marine sub-project we’re on, though, that I *long* to talk about but can’t, unless somehow we can get the starlink folk to do an apollo 13 and fix their !@#!! bufferbloat with something like cake, or we can figure out how to optimize dynamically for it via another router hanging off of the dishy. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>tidbit - one time recently I was 10 miles out at sea, in a 25 knot gale and 15+ seas trying to write something down important, and I hit the wrong key and the !@#!@@ new apple M1 laptop asked me:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>“do you want to install siri”</div><div><br class=""></div><div>"No, damn it, I just want to write stuff. If there’s no friggin internet why on earth do I want to use siri?”</div><div><br class=""></div><div>(apologies I’m grumpy today)</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">—Nathan</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:01 PM Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:davet@teklibre.net" target="_blank" class="">davet@teklibre.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">I ordered my dishy today. It looks like a couple months or more before I can get one… :(<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have all sorts of cool stuff for rock steady movement compensation and so forth on my sailboat here. I hope, that at least at anchor in pillar point harbor or nearby, that it will “just work”. It’s been a useful place to debug and improve LTE and 5G behaviors for the past couple years. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When starlink gets movement truly mastered it will be *awesome*. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My LTE up on the mast is pretty amazing (I get 5+ miles and pretty good behavior from the cake instance and monitoring tools there) but there are many spots along the california coast (and obviously further out) that are dead zones. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The 100+W power requirements are going to hurt though! I just ordered another solar panel and some hefty lithium batteries. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class=""><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">"Starlink" <<a href="mailto:no-reply@starlink.com" style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank" class="">no-reply@starlink.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Subject: </b></span><span 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