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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Nathan Owens
[mailto:nathan@nathan.io] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 21, 2022
1:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> David Lang<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Dick Roy;
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Starlink] Starlink
Roaming</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>Per the debug data, the dish has GPS, a Gyroscope, a Magnetometer, and
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:32 PM David Lang <<a
href="mailto:david@lang.hm">david@lang.hm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Dick Roy wrote:<br>
<br>
> What is involved in "setting the service address"??<br>
<br>
fairly simple, enter it in the website or contact support<br>
<br>
> Do dishy's have IMUs (aka some means for determining attitude w.r.t. the<br>
> local gravitational vector and true or magnetic north) or GPS modules (or<br>
> both)???<br>
<br>
we know the first version has a gps module in it, and you really need a phone
to <br>
set it up (and the phone app has access to your location)<br>
<br>
David Lang<br>
<br>
> I am somewhat skeptical that the system would be able to locate a UT just<br>
> based on zero tilt transmissions from the UT. I am guessing something a
bit<br>
> more complex is transpiring, like some rudimentary form of SDMA (aka<br>
> spatio-temporal resource allocation).<br>
><br>
> RR<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: David Lang [mailto:<a href="mailto:david@lang.hm" target="_blank">david@lang.hm</a>]<br>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 12:53 PM<br>
> To: Mike Puchol<br>
> Cc: 'David Lang'; 'Larry Press'; <a href="mailto:dickroy@alum.mit.edu"
target="_blank">dickroy@alum.mit.edu</a>;<br>
> <a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming<br>
><br>
> that's what happened when I tried to use it ~60 miles away, but when I
tried<br>
> to<br>
> use it ~25 miles away I got the attached error very quickly.<br>
><br>
> I've used it at a couple locations 5-10 miles away without a problem<br>
><br>
> I asked starlink support about roaming and it's currently not supported,
you<br>
> can<br>
> change the registered location, and if a slot is available, they'll
approve<br>
> it<br>
> and guarantee service (view of the sky permitting). But when you do that
you<br>
><br>
> give up the slot at your home location and are not guaranteed to be able
to<br>
> move<br>
> it back.<br>
><br>
> They told me that I could try it, and it may work, may be degraded a bit,
or<br>
> may<br>
> not work at all. They do plan to add roaming capabilities in the future
(my<br>
> guess is that the laser satellites will enable a lot more flexibility)<br>
><br>
> David Lang<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Mike Puchol wrote:<br>
><br>
>> From what I have observed, there is a new "roaming" flag in
terminal<br>
> properties that determines roaming capability. Mine is false, and I could<br>
> not get service if I set the service address too far.<br>
>><br>
>> The way the UT does it is, after startup, it moves to zero tilt, then<br>
> searches and registers with any passing satellite, likely using a
low-rate,<br>
> omnidireccional beacon. The backend then informs the terminal if it is out<br>
> of its service address, and if so, it will just sit there doing nothing<br>
> (although it does periodically send stuff).<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Mike<br>
>> On Feb 21, 2022, 23:31 +0300, Dick Roy <<a
href="mailto:dickroy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank">dickroy@alum.mit.edu</a>>,
wrote:<br>
>>> What does your contract say about the "where" you can
expect service from<br>
>>> your dishy? I suspect the system is capable of tracking all users
at all<br>
>>> times they're in coverage which is how they could/would enforce a<br>
>>> contractual limitation/constraint.<br>
>>><br>
>>> RR<br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: Starlink [mailto:<a
href="mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>]
On Behalf<br>
> Of<br>
>>> David Lang<br>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:30 PM<br>
>>> To: Larry Press<br>
>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming<br>
>>><br>
>>> tonight I took it to a friends house about 25 miles away and
within a<br>
> couple<br>
>>> min<br>
>>> it gave me an error message saying that I wasn't at my assigned
location.<br>
>>><br>
>>> David Lang<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Larry Press wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:22:44 +0000<br>
>>>> From: Larry Press <<a href="mailto:lpress@csudh.edu"
target="_blank">lpress@csudh.edu</a>><br>
>>>> To: David Lang <<a href="mailto:david@lang.hm"
target="_blank">david@lang.hm</a>>,<br>
>>>> Jonathan Bennett <<a
href="mailto:jonathanbennett@hackaday.com" target="_blank">jonathanbennett@hackaday.com</a>><br>
>>>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"
target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>" <<a
href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> David brought his dish to my location -- about fifty miles
from his<br>
>>> service loacation and in a different cell and it could not
connect. We<br>
> had a<br>
>>> clear view of the entire sky. He speculated that that was because
it was<br>
>>> registered to use a specific ground station that was out of range
at my<br>
>>> place. Does that seem reasonable?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Larry Press<br>
>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>> From: Starlink <<a
href="mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>>
on behalf of<br>
> David<br>
>>> Lang <<a href="mailto:david@lang.hm" target="_blank">david@lang.hm</a>><br>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 12:29 PM<br>
>>>> To: Jonathan Bennett <<a
href="mailto:jonathanbennett@hackaday.com" target="_blank">jonathanbennett@hackaday.com</a>><br>
>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"
target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a> <<a
href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I asked starlink about temp service away from my registered
location,<br>
> they<br>
>>> said<br>
>>>> I have two options<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1. formally change the service location (if approved,
guaranteed to<br>
> work,<br>
>>> but<br>
>>>> you aren't guaranteed to be able to change the service
location back)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2. best effort, set it up and try it. Service may perfect, or
may be<br>
> worse<br>
>>> (all<br>
>>>> the way to non-existant) depending on how many other dishes
are in use<br>
> in<br>
>>> the<br>
>>>> area.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've done some limited testing with my dish within about 15
miles of my<br>
>>>> registered location (in both cases with less than optimal sky
views) and<br>
>>> it's<br>
>>>> worked without a hitch. I plan to do a test further away this
weekend<br>
> (but<br>
>>> in a<br>
>>>> less populated area, so I have high hopes)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> David Lang<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Jonathan Bennett wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> It appears that there is now a system in place for
Starlink to<br>
> re-connect<br>
>>>>> even if you are outside your official service cell. For
those of us who<br>
>>>>> want to use Starlink on vacations or other trips, this is
quite the<br>
>>>>> development.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --Jonathan Bennett<br>
>>>>><br>
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